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Working With Student Athletes

Working With Student Athletes. Kim Oden , Director of Counseling St. Francis High School Jennifer Thomas, CoLlege Counselor Maybeck High School. What is the difference between Div. I, Div. II and Div. III? How do student-athletes establish eligibility? The recruiting process

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Working With Student Athletes

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  1. Working With Student Athletes Kim Oden, Director of Counseling St. Francis High School Jennifer Thomas, CoLlege Counselor Maybeck High School

  2. What is the difference between Div. I, Div. II and Div. III? • How do student-athletes establish eligibility? • The recruiting process • What happens on the college side? AGENDA K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  3. Food for Thought re: Div. I • When a student comes to you to discuss his/her participation in Division I sports, consider the following… K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  4. ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIPREALITY CHECK • In 2003-04, NCAA institutions gave athletic scholarships amounting to 2% of the 6.4 million high school/youth athletes. • Average NCAA scholarship not including football & basketball is $8,707.00/year. • Average baseball or track & field scholarship is $2000.00/year. • Scholarships must be renewed each year. They are not guaranteed year to year. • Tuition, room & board for NCAA institutions cost between $20,000-$50,000 per year. (The New York Times, March 10, 2008) K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  5. NCAA: National Collegiate Athletic Association Estimated Probability of Competing in Athletics Beyond the High School Interscholastic Level K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  6. Oregon Football No. Name Ht. Wt. Position 47   Alonso, Kiko 6-4 222 LB   85 Anderson, Anthony 6-5 233 DE 78   Armstrong, Karrington 6-2 283 OL 79   Asper, Mark 6-7 322 OL 51   Ava, Isaac 5-10 251 LB 24   Barner, Kenjon 5-11 180 RB 31   Bassett, Kenny 5-9 175 RB 93   Beard, Rob 6-0 218 PK 3   Bennett, Bryan 6-2 183 QB 71   Benyard, Everett 6-7 315 OL K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  7. U Conn. Women’s Basketball NAME HeightPOSITION YR Heather Buck 6-3 Center/Forward SO Stefanie Dolson 6-5 Center FR Michala Johnson 6-3 Forward FR Maya Moore 6-0 Forward SR Caroline Doty 5-10 Guard JR Lauren Engeln 5-11 Forward FR Kelly Faris 5-11 Guard SO K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  8. UCLA Men’s Water Polo No. Name Ht. Wt. Position Year 15 Grant Zider 6-4 215 Center/RS SO 13 James Palmer 6-5 205 Attacker/RS SO 2 Ted Peck 6-6 230 Center SR 3 Chris Pulido 6-6 190 Defender SO 6 Brad Greiner 6-6 195 Ctr Defender SO 16 Tim Cherry 6-6 220 Ctr Defender FR 14 Logan Powell 6-4 194 Attacker/RS SO K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  9. Stanford Women’s Volleyball • No. Name Height Position Yr • 1 Lydia Bai 6-2 Outside Hitter FR • 2 Carly Wopat 6-2 Middle Blocker FR • 7 Jessica Walker 6-1 Middle Blocker SO • 10 Alix Klineman 6-4 Outside Hitter SR • 11 Charlotte Brown 6-5 Middle Blocker FR • 12 Stephanie Browne6-4 Middle Blocker JR • 21 Hayley Spelman 6-6 Outside Hitter SO K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  10. However…. • THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN • DIVISION I!!!! K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  11. The NCAA The Organization the divisions K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  12. The NCAA • What is the NCAA? The NCAA, or National Collegiate Athletic Association, was established in 1906 and serves as the athletics governing body for more than 1,300 colleges, universities, conferences and organizations. The national office is in Indianapolis, but the member colleges and universities develop the rules and guidelines for athletics eligibility and athletics competition for each of the three NCAA divisions. The NCAA is committed to the student-athlete and to governing competition in a fair, safe, inclusive and sportsmanlike manner. The NCAA membership includes: • 337 active Division I members; • 290 active Division II members; • 435 active Division III members. One of the differences among the three divisions is that colleges and universities in Divisions I and II may offer athletics scholarships, while Division III colleges and universities may not. http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/CBSA.pdf K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  13. The NCAA K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  14. NCAA Eligibility Center • What is the NCAA Eligibility Center? The NCAA Eligibility Center certifies the academic and amateur credentials of all college-bound student-athletes who wish to compete in NCAA Division I or II athletics. • To assist with this process, the NCAA Eligibility Center staff is eager to foster a cooperative environment of education and partnership with high schools, high school coaches and college-bound student-athletes. Ultimately, the individual student-athlete is responsible for achieving and protecting his or her eligibility status. • http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/CBSA.pdf K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  15. When to Sign Up? • When Should Students Register? • Students may register any time, but the NCAA recommends that students register during their junior year. • The Eligibility Center will evaluate a student’s academic credentials once the following information has been received and the student has had their status requested by an NCAA member institution: a. Completed online registration; b. Fee payment ($65 for U.S. Students); c. SAT or ACT test score on file from the respective testing agency; d. Transcript(s) from all schools or programs attended. • http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Student_Registration_Info/When_Should_Students_Register.pdf K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  16. NCAA Resources K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  17. NCAA Resources K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  18. NCAA Sports by Division K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  19. What are the Differences? K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  20. Division I • The most expensive, competitive, and time consuming division of the NCAA • 337 institutions • Big athletic department budgets • Sizable athletic facilities • Increased scholarship money available (ex. DI Football is allowed a maximum of 85 full scholarships) • Toughest eligibility requirements: graduate high school with 16 core courses and test score/GPA determined on a sliding scale. • Local examples: CAL, Stanford, USF, Santa Clara, St. Mary’s, UC Davis, SJSU, Pacific, Sac. St., and Cal Poly. K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  21. Div. I Qualifier vs. Nonqualifier Division I Qualifier Division I Nonqualifier • Being a qualifier enables you to: • A. Practice or compete for your college or university during your first year of college; • B. Receive an athletics scholarship during your first year of college; • C. Play four seasons in your sport if you maintain your eligibility from year to year. • As a nonqualifier, you will not be able to: • A. Practice or compete for your college or university during your first year of college; • B. Receive an athletics scholarship during your first year of college, although you may receive need-based financial aid. • http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/CBSA.pdf K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  22. Division II • Intermediate level as an alternative to the highly competitive DI and the non-scholarship DIII. • 290 full or provisional members • Smaller public schools and many private colleges that often draw more locally and play closer to home. • More limited scholarship opportunities and more partial scholarships that vary from school to school (ex. DII football is allowed 36 scholarships). • Local Examples: SFSU, East Bay, Chico, Humboldt, Sonoma, Monterey, Dominican (congrats), and Notre Dame de Namur K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  23. Div. II: Qualifier vs. Partial Qualifier vs. Nonqualifier • Division II K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  24. Division III • Largest of the three divisions with 435 member institutions that range in size from 500-10,000 students. • Colleges & schools choosing not to offer athletic scholarships. No redshirting athletes. • Small class sizes, regional season play, and the opportunity to play more than one sport in college. • Each campus determines their own eligibility requirements. • Local examples: Menlo, Mills & UC Santa Cruz K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  25. Division III • Division III colleges and universities develop student-athlete potential through a holistic educational approach that includes rigorous academics, competitive athletics and opportunity to pursue many interests and passions. Student-athletes are responsible for their own paths and are provided with many opportunities to develop within a comprehensive educational experience. • Division III minimizes the conflicts between athletics and academics through shorter playing and practicing seasons, a lower number of contests, no redshirting or out-of-season organized activities, and a focus on regional in-season and conference play. • Division III college-bound student-athletes are not certified by the NCAA Eligibility Center because Division III colleges and universities each set their own admissions standards and there are no initial-eligibility requirements in the division. • College bound student-athletes should contact their Division III college or university regarding policies on admission, financial aid and athletics eligibility. • http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/CBSA.pdf K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  26. Academic Differences K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  27. NAIA • National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics seeks to fully integrate life, academics, sport and fitness into the higher education environment. • 300 colleges & universities in the US & Canada (College of Bahamas) • More relaxed rules, especially related to transferring • Athletic scholarships • Joined Eligibility Center (2010) • 23 National Championships in 13 sports • 60,000 student athletes • Eligibility requirements: 18 ACT/860 SAT, 3.0 Cumulative GPA at the end of Junior year, or graduate in the top half of class • Local examples: Maritime, Fresno Pacific, Holy Names, Patten, and William Jessup • http://www.naia.org/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=27900&ATCLID=205323019 K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  28. NAIA K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  29. Academic Eligibility Establishing eligibility core courses weighted grades the worksheet K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  30. How Does a Student Establish NCAA Academic Eligibility? K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

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  32. Core Courses DIVISION I 16 Core-Course Rule DIVISION II 14 Core-Course Rule (16 will be required as of Aug. 1, 2013) • 4 years of English. • 3 years of Mathematics (Algebra I or higher). • 2 years of Natural/Physical Science (1 year of lab if offered by high school). • 1 year of additional English, Mathematics or Natural/Physical Science. • 2 years of Social Science. • 4 years of additional courses (from any area above, Foreign Language or non-doctrinal Religion/Philosophy). • 3 years of English. • 2 years of Mathematics (Algebra I or higher). • 2 years of Natural/Physical Science (1 year of lab if offered by high school). • 2 years of additional English, Mathematics or Natural/Physical Science. • 2 years of Social Science. • 3 years of additional courses (from any area above, Foreign Language or non-doctrinal Religion/Philosophy). • http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Quick_Reference_Sheet_for_IE_Standards-6-18-09.pdf K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  33. Weighted Grades/ AP and Honors Classes • The NCAA rules state that weighted grades may be used by the Eligibility Center. • Weighting may be applied to courses whose titles indicate they are Honors, AP/IB, or advanced. • http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Grading_and_GPA/Weighted_Grades.pdf K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  34. GPA Calculation K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  35. The Div. I Worksheet K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  36. BYU Online Classes Don’t Count Anymore….Wait…they will again soon, we hope! K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  37. The Role of the Guidance Counselor • Promptly fax or mail transcripts to all college coaches who request them for each student-athlete (must have release form from student). • Suggest that the student consult with his/her high school and/or club coach for direction of which Division to pursue. • Listen for what the student-athlete wants in his/her collegiate sports experience and compare that to the college programs the student-athlete is considering (and share this info with the student). K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  38. The Role of the Student-Athlete • Do as well as he/she can in school—even after committing to a college. • Stay healthy (sleep, deal effectively with injuries, eat well). • Know what you are looking for—big fish in a little pond? Or little fish in big pond? Does the student want to play right away?? Does the student want to be on an established team/part of a storied program? K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  39. The Role of the Parent • Use your life experiences to benefit your child—reading between the lines of slick coaches. • Check out websites of the targeted schools to see how many current student-athletes play the same position as your child; How many are freshman and sophomores? • Keep the student athlete calm during the “hype” and during coaches’ pressure tactics. K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  40. Other Thoughts…. • It’s never too late for a student-athlete to start marketing himself/herself to college sports programs! • There is more to life than Division I! • Stress the overall “fit”—does the school have the academic program the student wants? Is the location appropriate? Is the size of the school right for the student? What if the sports program disappears or the student suffers an injury? Will the student want to stay at that college? K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  41. The Athletic Recruiting Process Recruiting regulations Junior year recruiting methods College coaches’ pet peeves K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

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  44. TOP 10 COACHES PET PEEVES 1. Parents send emails instead of athlete. 2. Parents call instead of athlete. 3. Parents call and ask us to call them back when it’s against the NCAA recruiting rules. 4. Use of recruiting services. 5. “Game playing” in the process. 6. Sending hours of video or testimonial. 7. Trying to engage us in conversation at tournaments when it’s illegal. 8. Not taking “no” for an honest answer. 9. Sending information on their high school athletics only. 10. The myth that everyone gets a full ride or a scholarship. (Information polled from CAL assistant coaches in all sports 2009) K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

  45. Thank you! K. Oden & J. Thomas, 2/2012

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