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Summary. The case (for outsiders)The practice (for insiders). The case to answer. Why do we need community geriatricians?We already have GPs who look after old peopleAnd MatronsAnd intermediate careAnd Consultants are expensiveAnd geriatricians are general physiciansAnd hospital basedAnd should be shortening length of stay / attending to trim pointsAnd not avoiding admissions / incomeAnd there are no large RCTs and meta-analyses of community geriatricians with cost benefit analyses
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1. Community Geriatrics Prof John Gladman
University of Nottingham
Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust
3. The case to answer Why do we need community geriatricians?
We already have GPs who look after old people
And Matrons
And intermediate care
And Consultants are expensive
And geriatricians are general physicians
And hospital based
And should be shortening length of stay / attending to trim points
And not avoiding admissions / income
And there are no large RCTs and meta-analyses of community geriatricians with cost benefit analyses…
4. What community geriatric medicine is not Trying to replace core geriatric hospital care
Trying to provide inefficient and ineffective out-patient services
Perpetuating all that is bad about the traditional domiciliary visit
Becoming a GP
5. From the basics … let us accept 16% of the population are “old”
2/3 of beds are filled by the “old”
39% of health care spending is on the “old”
49% of social care expenditure is on the “old”
=> the “old” are core NHS business
=> GPs, hospital doctors and everyone should be able to deal with issues about the “old”…
Treatment benefits are often larger
Activity limitations (disabilities) are often present
But treatment principles are largely the same as adults of lesser years
=> it is impossible as well as groundless for all old people to be managed by geriatricians
6. Lets get this “old” thing right …
7. Old people NSF describes three types of “older person”:- healthy retirees, in 60s- those in transition, in 70s- the frail, in 80s
Community geriatrics (all geriatrics) is for the latter
8. About frailty Vulnerability & disability (activity limitation and participation restriction)
Physiology of old age
Multiple chronic diseases (aka long term conditions)
Proximity to death
Particularly heavy service users
Particularly represented in complaints
9. Long term conditions: Kaiser / NHS model
11. CORE PROCESSES FOR HEALTH CARE OF OLDER PEOPLE
12. Frailty management Comprehensive assessment:- medical & psychiatric conditions- psychological state- impairments- activity limitations (disability)- participation restriction (handicap)- physical and social environmental facilitators and hindrances- personal factors
Co-ordinated delivery of multiple interventions
Specialist, inter-disciplinary
It needs medical specialists
“Holistic”
13. Evidence base Stroke units: save lives, reduce institutionalisation, reduce dependency: cost saving
Comprehensive Geriatric Assessment does the same
SO THERE IS AN EVIDENCE BASE:needy people benefit from specialist co-ordinated comprehensive care and it is affordable. This means specialist medical input too.
FAILURE TO PROVIDE THE ABOVE IS TO DENY (these) OLDER PEOPLE EVIDENCE BASED CARE
14. So we know what we have to do for frail older people, but where are they to be found?
15. Where frail older people are found AMU
Acute hospitals (stroke, hip fracture)
Community hospitals
Day hospitals
Matron caseloads
Care homes
Intermediate care (temporary frail)
Can’t come / won’t come / shouldn’t come(“the looked after elderly”)
16. Community Matrons Principles: there is a cohort of frail people, care and its co-ordination by a matron can prevent admissions
The first evaluation of the Evercare model showed they didn’t prevent hospital admissions: “radical system re-design” requiredBMJ, doi:10.1136/bmj.39020.413310.55 (published 15 November 2006)
Targeting (a problem for frailty management too)
Intervention: delivery of CGA, which requires a geriatrician (and many other necessary conditions, such as rapid access to social care)
Examples: horrendous fluid balance, polypharmacy / polysymptomology, neuropsychiatry, PD…
17. Care homes 5% of all people >65
Immobility, confusion, incontinence
RCTs: medication review, end of life planning
Long term conditions not well managed
Primary care haphazard
Anecdotes: leg ulcers that won’t heal, faecal incontinence
See BGS Primary & Continuing Care SIG session, Harrogate, November!
18. Intermediate care Admission avoidance / Early discharge / At home / Residential
Some of this can be cost effective and virtually geriatrician freeAge Ageing 2004;33:246. Sooner and healthier…
Capacity (our trial took <3% of older people)
Closure of Bramwell
Clearing of Leawood- Parkinson’s- advice, information, prognosis
Step-ups- from the at home service (CCF and PD)- from the residential service (CCF, delirium, brain tumours)
19. Can’t come / won’t come / shouldn’t come to clinic (DVs) Can’t come: too disabled (arthropathy, PD)
Won’t come: too frightened, themselves a carer
Shouldn’t come: disorientation worsens history, informants can’t come, others are part of the problem or solution (esp care homes)
Reflection: patient centred care!
The case of the ?pheo The case of the ?pheo:
The case of the ? Pheo. This patient I was asked to see at home. Earlier she had been referred to an OAP for panic attacks, but they weren’t thought to be panic attacks. Then one Xmas eve she was sent against her better judgment to the ED after an episode of SOB. She was hypertensive. She spent much of the festive period being moved around hospital wards. Much of the time she was hypertensive, anxious and trembly. She was sent home with a number of VMA bottles with an op appointment and a diagnosis of ?pheo. She hadn’t attended the Op appointment.
She told me that she was terrified of hospitals, and would tremble even if she drive past the hospital! She also told me that she wanted to walk to the nearby shops, but everytime she tried, she got short of breath. I walked with her, until she became breathless (also grey and indicating her chest) and this settled with a few moments rest. It recurred on the return journey. She had diabetes and was 84. The ED ECG showed LBBB. I diagnoses angina. It responded to GTN.
Seeing her at home made all the difference to the assessment ie it took place, and it did so in a way that was effective.
The case of the ?pheo:
The case of the ? Pheo. This patient I was asked to see at home. Earlier she had been referred to an OAP for panic attacks, but they weren’t thought to be panic attacks. Then one Xmas eve she was sent against her better judgment to the ED after an episode of SOB. She was hypertensive. She spent much of the festive period being moved around hospital wards. Much of the time she was hypertensive, anxious and trembly. She was sent home with a number of VMA bottles with an op appointment and a diagnosis of ?pheo. She hadn’t attended the Op appointment.
She told me that she was terrified of hospitals, and would tremble even if she drive past the hospital! She also told me that she wanted to walk to the nearby shops, but everytime she tried, she got short of breath. I walked with her, until she became breathless (also grey and indicating her chest) and this settled with a few moments rest. It recurred on the return journey. She had diabetes and was 84. The ED ECG showed LBBB. I diagnoses angina. It responded to GTN.
Seeing her at home made all the difference to the assessment ie it took place, and it did so in a way that was effective.
20. Things a community geriatric service could support Care home services:- matrons- out reach iv teams- assessment panels- medication reviews- end of life planning- CDM programme eg glidepaths
CGA from the ED or AMU:- DV & urgent clinics- virtual caseload- access to Matrons- access to Intermediate Care
CG access from:- primary care / community falls teams- rapid response social services teams- old age psychiatry services (health and social)
System wide education
System wide governance / audit
21. Ideas that haven’t worked / are mis-understandings Provision of emergency opinions
Pre-admission assessment for emergencies
Clinics in GP surgeries
Substantial community prescribing
Replacing primary care instead of supporting it
22. Clinical matters: geriatric medicine! Death in non-malignant conditions
End stage CCF (end stage anything!)
Parkinson’s and related disorders
Anxiety, depression and dementia in physical illness
Non-specific presentations with complex formulations
Prognosis (goal setting & care planning) If one carves out a practice looking at the frail, and where a GP or community service for older people needs help, then a lot revolves around the ultimate consequence of frailty: death.
Our hospital experience gives us special experience of what and when restorative and life prolonging interventions can help, and when they cannot. Note the GP will also have an experience and perspective on this.
Particular consequences of such input leads to the permission of the preparation of end of life care planning, and with this the removal of “preventative” drugs, greater focus on palliative approaches, etc.
The particular examples where I get involved is where there various active managements options to be considered. A particular one is CCF. Very often I find that fluid balance is not done well (under treated and over treated CCF goes un-noticed). The previous advice of cardiologists (given before the patient became frail) may require reversal. Permission needs to be given to use opiates and to withdraw some drugs, or to use simpler remedies such as GTN. Particular examples are beta blockers, ACE inhibitors, and anti-anginals in people too weak to get angina. We can also pick up the anaemias, renal failures, or hypoalbuminaemias that occasionally masquerade as CCF.
Another example is PD. Or extra-pyramidal states. Lewy body disease, vascular disease, extrapyramidal syndromes associated with delirium, and of course drug related states are common. Diagnoses are often poor, with everything that starts out as ?Parkinson’s being called Parkinson’s disease. For those with PD, I often see those who have accumulated all the fancy drugs the neurologists can think of, but then get too frail to attend, and so appear to be consigned to them indefinitely. There is often a lot to achieve. I have upped my CPD in this area, and I’d recommend that trainees with an interest in the community should also pay particular regard to their movement disorder training.
The other area that causes great problems are the psychiatric problems. Those of you who know the Nottingham ethos are aware that our approach has always been that the health care of older people is inextricably a function of medical and psychiatric issues, and so patients often need expertise from both areas. Many services for “physical” problems are unskilled in “mental” problems, and our joint training gives us skills and knowledge that can help these teams. Note GPs too have expertise in this area. It reminds us that we at least need as much special knowledge of old age psychiatry as our GPs (tiddly exposures for a small number of weeks during training is inadequate). I suspect that many GPwSIs will have greater expertise than geriatricians in some cases. If one carves out a practice looking at the frail, and where a GP or community service for older people needs help, then a lot revolves around the ultimate consequence of frailty: death.
Our hospital experience gives us special experience of what and when restorative and life prolonging interventions can help, and when they cannot. Note the GP will also have an experience and perspective on this.
Particular consequences of such input leads to the permission of the preparation of end of life care planning, and with this the removal of “preventative” drugs, greater focus on palliative approaches, etc.
The particular examples where I get involved is where there various active managements options to be considered. A particular one is CCF. Very often I find that fluid balance is not done well (under treated and over treated CCF goes un-noticed). The previous advice of cardiologists (given before the patient became frail) may require reversal. Permission needs to be given to use opiates and to withdraw some drugs, or to use simpler remedies such as GTN. Particular examples are beta blockers, ACE inhibitors, and anti-anginals in people too weak to get angina. We can also pick up the anaemias, renal failures, or hypoalbuminaemias that occasionally masquerade as CCF.
Another example is PD. Or extra-pyramidal states. Lewy body disease, vascular disease, extrapyramidal syndromes associated with delirium, and of course drug related states are common. Diagnoses are often poor, with everything that starts out as ?Parkinson’s being called Parkinson’s disease. For those with PD, I often see those who have accumulated all the fancy drugs the neurologists can think of, but then get too frail to attend, and so appear to be consigned to them indefinitely. There is often a lot to achieve. I have upped my CPD in this area, and I’d recommend that trainees with an interest in the community should also pay particular regard to their movement disorder training.
The other area that causes great problems are the psychiatric problems. Those of you who know the Nottingham ethos are aware that our approach has always been that the health care of older people is inextricably a function of medical and psychiatric issues, and so patients often need expertise from both areas. Many services for “physical” problems are unskilled in “mental” problems, and our joint training gives us skills and knowledge that can help these teams. Note GPs too have expertise in this area. It reminds us that we at least need as much special knowledge of old age psychiatry as our GPs (tiddly exposures for a small number of weeks during training is inadequate). I suspect that many GPwSIs will have greater expertise than geriatricians in some cases.
23. Community CGA
24. BGS RCGP model for frailty management Practices / clusters should identify their frail older people
And have a designated team for them
And a regular review of this case load
Referring to the community geriatrician when in need
Larger teams should be responsible community hospitals, intermediate care, care home support services: members drawn from local teams and community geriatrician
http://www.bgs.org.uk/Publications/Compendium/compend_4-14.htm
25. My prediction for clinical duties of geriatric departments 1/3 acute care: not undifferentiated general medicine but specialist support to CGA in front door settings (ED, AMU)
1/3 ward based care (e.g. orthogeriatrics)
1/3 community care (community & day hospitals, intermediate care, care home, matrons, etc)
New arrangements with PCTs: not solely primary, secondary or intermediate care but all three
Leading other “hospital based specialties” in this matter
Even more managerial roles
26. Summary messages The care of frail older people requires CGA: this is evidence based practice
There are frail people in community settings
A community geriatrician is one necessary condition for the delivery of community CGA
My workload supports matrons, intermediate care, care homes, the can’t, won’t & shouldn’t come
I provide expert opinion, offers secondary care where needed – also education, governance, etc
Develop with primary care