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Folk Lawyering in Weblog Territory

Javier Candeira Barrapunto.com iLaw Torino 2005 Copy permitted under any Creative Commons Attribution license http://hiperactivo.com/presentaciones/folk_lawyering_2005.odp http://hiperactivo.com/presentaciones/folk_lawyering_2005.ppt

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Folk Lawyering in Weblog Territory

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  1. Javier Candeira Barrapunto.com iLaw Torino 2005 Copy permitted under any Creative Commons Attribution license http://hiperactivo.com/presentaciones/folk_lawyering_2005.odp http://hiperactivo.com/presentaciones/folk_lawyering_2005.ppt http://hiperactivo.com/presentaciones/folk_lawyering_2005.pdf Folk Lawyering in Weblog Territory

  2. Javier Candeira -- barrapunto.com -- iLaw Torino -- 27 May 2005 -- Copy Permitted: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/it/ Folk Lawyering • “Ignorance of the law is no excuse” • Laypersons have a mental model of the law • FL: interactions between social norm and real law • People agree on what they think law is • More formal: norm is implied, Folk Lawyering is explicit bargaining • Just another conflict resolution avenue? • Caveat: can it be counter to law, even abusive?

  3. Javier Candeira -- barrapunto.com -- iLaw Torino -- 27 May 2005 -- Copy Permitted: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/it/ Barrapunto.com • Community weblog • Slashdot-alike • News: sent by readers, posted by editors • Comments: sent and posted by readers • Community-managed: readers moderate • Journalism/Conversation duality

  4. Javier Candeira -- barrapunto.com -- iLaw Torino -- 27 May 2005 -- Copy Permitted: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/it/ Conflicts arise • “Please delete this false piece of news” • “Please delete this false comment someone else made” • “Please delete this true comment someone else made” • “Please delete these harassing comments” • “Please delete this comment I myself made” • “Please delete my account completely”

  5. Javier Candeira -- barrapunto.com -- iLaw Torino -- 27 May 2005 -- Copy Permitted: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/it/ “We don't do such things” • We are a record of a conversation • People trust us to be neutral, and... • We thrive on people's trust, so... • We never delete anything • “We delete stuff when the judge says so” • Injurias al rey, apología del terrorismo • We do delete stuff! (actually, it is just run-lenght compression)

  6. Javier Candeira -- barrapunto.com -- iLaw Torino -- 27 May 2005 -- Copy Permitted: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/it/ How barrapunto defuses conflicts • (Proviso 1: Spain is not the litigious US) • (Proviso 2: We are very low profile) • We realise that we have the status quo on our side: we have ultimate control over the site • We explain why law and norm are on our side • Both norm and code give users ways to exercise some actions on their own • Users are empowered to some extent • We agree to disagree

  7. Javier Candeira -- barrapunto.com -- iLaw Torino -- 27 May 2005 -- Copy Permitted: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/it/ "Please delete this piece of news!" • Our standard is journalistic • We do post corrections -- all the time • We treat complainants exactly as any other informer: we check their input • We follow the principle of "fair"

  8. Javier Candeira -- barrapunto.com -- iLaw Torino -- 27 May 2005 -- Copy Permitted: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/it/ "Please delete this comment someone else made!" • "This is a conversation, you can add to it" • "Your voice is as valid as any other voice" • "Consider this your right of reply... • "... even when this might not be directly applicable". • This method tested on lawyers!

  9. Javier Candeira -- barrapunto.com -- iLaw Torino -- 27 May 2005 -- Copy Permitted: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/it/ "Please delete these harassing comments!" • We do take this very seriously • We police our forums for abusive users • Once a comment has been made, nothing will really take it back, so... • We help and accompany harassed users, “shepherding” the threads... • But we still don't delete comments

  10. Javier Candeira -- barrapunto.com -- iLaw Torino -- 27 May 2005 -- Copy Permitted: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/it/ "Please delete this comment that I made!" • "No haberle dao" (“Shouldnae hit enter”) • "We are only recording what happened, and the conversation took place" • "Taking out your comment would damage consistence" • The Kindness Rule of Exceptions

  11. Javier Candeira -- barrapunto.com -- iLaw Torino -- 27 May 2005 -- Copy Permitted: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/it/ "Please delete my account completely!" • “Sorry, Dave, we can't do that!” • "but... • "...you can change all your account info yourself! • "... and then change the password!" • Only thing that remains is the nick or account name. • Compliant with LORTAD and LOPD? (privacy and data protection laws) We hope so!

  12. Javier Candeira -- barrapunto.com -- iLaw Torino -- 27 May 2005 -- Copy Permitted: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/it/ So far, so good • Most complaints end in some kind of agreement • We have not been sued (yet) • Bending like a reed sometimes, yet... • Standing like an oak most times • We have evolved these rules organically, so... • They might keep changing over time.

  13. Javier Candeira -- barrapunto.com -- iLaw Torino -- 27 May 2005 -- Copy Permitted: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/it/ Thank You • Thanks Berkman Center • Thank you Agnelli Foundation and organisers • Thanks Antonio and Andrea • Thank you all for listening

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