Music: Beethoven, Piano Sonata #23 (Appassionata) (1805) Performer: Emil Giles, Piano (1972)

1. LUNCH TUESDAY 1. FOXHOVEN 2. GALLO 3. KINZER 4. MELIA 5. RAINES 6. RUBIN 7. WARRICK LUNCH THURSDAY 1. BANE 2. CORTLAND 3. GAZZE 4. NEUGROSCHEL 5. TANNENBAUM 6. TANOOS 7. TASBY Music: Beethoven, Piano Sonata #23(Appassionata) (1805)Performer: Emil Giles, Piano (1972)

2. PROS Helps Clarify Reasoning Instructions to Lawyers for Future DQ5. Should Courts Discuss Facts Not Before Them?

3. PROS Helps Clarify Reasoning Instructions to Lawyers for Future CONS No Experience With No Atty Arguments Not Judicial Role DQ5. Should Courts Discuss Facts Not Before Them?

4. PROS Helps Clarify Reasoning Instructions to Lawyers for Future E.g., Pierson: “Not enough” v. “Here’s the Line” CONS No Experience With No Atty Arguments Not Judicial Role E.g., adding death penalty discussion to Pierson DQ5. Should Courts Discuss Facts Not Before Them?

5. RATIONALES • Doctrinal Rationales: Result required or strongly suggested by prior authorities • Policy Rationales: Result is good for society

6. TWO COMPETING RULES • Majority: more than “mere pursuit” needed [More than Pursuit] • Dissent: sufficient if pursuit “inevitably and speedily [would] have terminated in corporal possession” [Hot Pursuit]

7. DQ6. Certainty in Pierson • Majority: Too Difficult to Determine How Much Pursuit is “Hot” Enough or Even if There’s Pursuit at All.

8. DQ6. Certainty in Pierson • Majority: Too Difficult to Determine How Much Pursuit is “Hot” Enough or Even if There’s Pursuit at All. • BUT: How do you tell if a wound is “mortal”?

9. DQ6. Certainty Generally • Reduces Anxiety Related to Uncertainty • Allows Planning • Creates Stability • Majority “Peace & Order”: May Reduce Quarrels

10. Sample Policy Rationale • The majority stated that its decision would provide “certainty” and “preserv[e] peace and order,” presumably because it would be difficult for a hunter that sees an animal to tell if another hunter had been pursuing it, and the resulting confusion would create “quarrels and litigation” if pursuit was enough to create ownership.

11. THREE KINDS OF CERTAINTY • Easy to apply at the time • Easy to apply in court • Everyone aware of rule

12. DQ6. Certainty Generally • Reduces Anxiety Related to Uncertainty • Allows Planning • Creates Stability • Majority “Peace & Order”: May Reduce Quarrels • BUT: At cost of flexibility & sensitivity to particular circumstances

13. BRIGHT-LINE RULESv. FLEXIBLESTANDARDS

14. ANNOUNCEMENTS • URANIUM: Liesner Brief Due Wednesday • Just Brief Appellate Opinion • Read Directions Carefully • If we lose one or more days to storm: • Assignments slide to next actual class meeting • Lunches cancelled; Students sign up for new time • Lunch Procedures & Etiquette

15. DQ7. LABOR The majority suggests that it will confer property rights on those who, using their “industry and labor,” have captured animals.

16. DQ7. LABOR [E]ncompassing and securing such animals with nets and toils, or otherwise intercepting them in such a manner as to deprive them of their natural liberty, and render escape impossible, may justly be deemed to give possession of them to those persons who, by their industry and labor, have used such means of apprehending them.

17. DQ7. LABOR Generally Understood: Good idea to provide rewards for industry & labor as an incentive to encourage working hard.

18. DQ7. LABOR:Are there some categories of labor you would not want to reward?

19. DQ7. LABOR:Are there some categories of labor you would not want to reward? Ineffective Labor Harmful/Dangerous Labor Related Problem of Setting Optimal Reward

20. DQ7. LABOR Suppose Post pays somebody to kill foxes for him? Who should get property in the foxes? Why?

21. DQ8. ECONOMIC BENEFITS • Why does the dissent think its rule will result in more foxes being killed?

22. DQ8. ECONOMIC BENEFITS • Why does the dissent think its rule will result in more foxes being killed? Unhappy Posts Choose Alternative Activity • Argument that Majority’s Rulewill result in more foxes being killed?

23. DQ8. ECONOMIC BENEFITS • Why does the dissent think its rule will result in more foxes being killed? Unhappy Posts Choose Alternative Activity • Argument that Majority’s Rulewill result in more foxes being killed? Posts Work Harder at Killing

24. If you don’t get expected reward for labor, what happens? • Substitution Effect: Choose different activity that pays more or costs less OR • Income Effect: Increase labor until you achieve desired reward

25. DQ8. ECONOMIC BENEFITS • What Rule Would Be Appropriate if You Were Trying to Preserve Foxes Because They Were Commercially Valuable?

26. DQ8. ECONOMIC BENEFITS • What Rule Would Be Appropriate if You Were Trying to Preserve Foxes Because They Were Commercially Valuable? • Come Back to with Demsetz Excerpt in Two Weeks

27. DQ9. INTANGIBLE INTERESTS • Is the right to hunt without interference a right society should protect?

28. DQ9. INTANGIBLE INTERESTS “However uncourteous or unkind the conduct of Pierson towards Post … may have been, yet his act was productive of no injury or damage for which a legal remedy can be applied.” Should a court take into account whether Pierson had “bad intent”?

29. DQ9. INTANGIBLE INTERESTS “However uncourteous or unkind the conduct of Pierson towards Post … may have been, yet his act was productive of no injury or damage for which a legal remedy can be applied.” Should a court take into account whether Pierson had “bad intent”? How would you prove Pierson’s intent?

30. PROOF OF INTENT • Required in Intentional Tort & Criminal Cases • Often Not Legally Relevant in Property Ownership Cases • Proof of Intent Often Expensive/Complex • Cheaper More Certain Results v. Fact-Specific “Justice”