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IEEE 802.18 RR-TAG Teleconference Agenda. Date: 10 January 19. Authors:. Call to Order / Administrative Items. Officers for the RR-TAG / IEEE 802.18: Chair is Jay Holcomb (Itron) Vice-chair, looking for someone Secretary, looking for someone
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IEEE 802.18 RR-TAGTeleconference Agenda • Date: 10 January 19 Authors: Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Call to Order / Administrative Items • Officers for the RR-TAG / IEEE 802.18: • Chair is Jay Holcomb (Itron) • Vice-chair, looking for someone • Secretary, looking for someone • Voters: 41 (9 on EC); Nearly Voters: 2; Aspirant members: 14 • A quorum is met since this meeting was announced more then 45 days ago. • With teleconferences approval on 12 July 2018, quorum is met. After aug31, after 12 July 2018. • IEEE 802 Required notices: • Affiliation FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html • > Be sure to announce you name, affiliation, employer and clients the first time you speak. • Anti-Trust FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf • Ethics - https://www.ieee.org/about/corporate/governance/p7-8.html • IEEE 802 WG Policies and Procedures - http://www.ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml • The 4 administration slides, reminder from your WG opening plenary new 02jan18 • (note: call for essential patents is n/a, as the RR-TAG does not do standards) Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Jay Holcomb (Itron) Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings • All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. • Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. • Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. • Relative costs of different technical approaches that include relative costs of patent licensing terms may be discussed in standards development meetings. • Technical considerations remain the primary focus • Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. • Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. • Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. --------------------------------------------------------------- For more details, see IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and Antitrust and Competition Policy: What You Need to Know at http://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/antitrust.pdf
Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings • Participation in any IEEE 802 meeting (Sponsor, Sponsor subgroup, Working Group, Working Group subgroup, etc.) is on an individual basis • Participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience. (https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1) • IEEE 802 Working Group membership is by individual; “Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion as individuals, and not as organizational representatives”. (subclause 4.2.1 “Establishment”, of the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures) • Participants have an obligation to act and vote as an individual and not under the direction of any other individual or group. A Participant’s obligation to act and vote as an individual applies in all cases, regardless of any external commitments, agreements, contracts, or orders. • Participants shall not direct the actions or votes of any other member of an IEEE 802 Working Group or retaliate against any other member for their actions or votes within IEEE 802 Working Group meetings, see https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1.3 and the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures, subclause 3.4.1 “Chair”, list item x. • By participating in IEEE 802 meetings, you accept these requirements. If you do not agree to these policies then you shall not participate. (and please leave the call or meeting.) Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Agenda for teleconference • Discussion items, few more details: • EU Items • General items, ETSI, CEPT, etc. • 5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X • Revised Comments 18 Jan; Replies 05 Feb • NTIA soliciting comments on National Spectrum Strategy • Comments due 22 Jan • U.S. DoT Releases Request for Comment (RFC) on Vehicle-to-Everything (V2X) Communications • Comments due 25 Jan • ACMA consultation for 5G and 60GHz band. • Comments due 22 Feb • General discussion items: • Call to Order • Attendance server is open • Administrative items • Need a recording secretary, _________ • Approve agenda & last minutes • looking for an 802.18 Vice-Chair. • Discussion items • EU Items • 5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X • NTIA National Spectrum Strategy • U.S. DoT RFC on V2X Communications • ACMA consultation 5G & 60GHz band • General Discussion Items • Actions required • 5GAA comments EC ballot • NTIA comments • AOB and Adjourn Jay Holcomb (Itron) Agenda
Administrative – Motions and more • After 01 Jan, we are in need of a secretary, is there anyone than can help? ________ • And/or at least can anyone help out in St. Louis to be a recording secretary? ________ • Motion: To approve the agenda as presented on previous slide • Moved by: Peter Ecclesine • Seconded by: Jay Holcomb • Discussion? • Vote: Unanimous consent • Motion: To approve the minutes from the IEEE 802.18 teleconference 20 December 2018 in document: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0167-00-0000-minutes-20dec18-rr-tag-teleconference.docPosted: 26-Dec-2018 23:38:04 ET • Moved by: TimH, TimJ, Carl, jay, Allan • Seconded by: • Discussion? • Vote: Unanimous consent • Does anyone have an interest in being the 802.18 Vice-Chair? • Needs to be a member of the IEEE and also the SA, needs a declaration of term commitment and affiliation letters to the EC. of term commitment Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Administrative – Motions and more • Motion: To approve the minutes from the IEEE 802.18 teleconference 03 January 2019 in document: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-19-0002-00-0000-minutes-03jan19-rr-tag-teleconference.docxPosted: 04-Jan-2019 11:24:44 ET • Moved by: • Seconded by: Mike Lynch • Discussion? • Vote: Unanimous consent • Does anyone have an interest in being the 802.18 Vice-Chair? • Needs to be a member of the IEEE and also the SA, needs a declaration of term commitment and affiliation letters to the EC. of term commitment Jay Holcomb (Itron)
EU items to share • General EU news?<ojeu><HStds> • Nothing reported this week. • ETSI – <BRAN>next meeting #100 - 17-20 Dec. 2018, Sophia Antipolis • Nothing reported this week. • ETSI - ERM - <TG-11>next meeting # 55 - 08-11 Apr 2019, Sophia Antipolis • Nothing reported this week. • ETSI – ERM - <TG-UWB>next call # 47-bis – 01 Feb 2019 • Nothing reported this week. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
EU items -2 • CEPT – ECC <SE45>f2f #7 in ECO, Copenhagen, 24 - 25 April 2019 • Nothing reported this week. • From before: • Did complete the draft report, SE45(18)123A1. (it looks to be a larger doc…) • Included all the inputs from all parties, FSS, Astronomy, UWB, etc. • Watch for minutes, actually draft is already out, SE45(18)123 . • CEPT – ECC <FM57>web meeting #4.1 28 January 2019; #5 - 26 Apr 19 • Nothing reported this week. • Watch for minutes from last meeting. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X -1 of 2 • Waiver: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0152-01-0000-5gaa-waiver-to-allow-its-cellular-vehicle-to-everything-c-v2x.docx (link added in Annex D) • ECFS: https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/filings?proceedings_name=18-357&sort=date_disseminated,DESC • Request for Comments is out: • https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-18-1231A1.pdf • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0158-00-0000-fcc-gn-18-357-5gaa-waiver-request-for-comments.pdf • https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-18-1310A1.pdf • Revised Comment Date: January 18, 2019 • Revised Reply Comment Date: February 5, 2019 • No extension unless FCC shutdown is still on the 18th. • Need to vote on them this week. • Moving forward will use 18-18/0159rxx for the comments themselves. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Motion - 5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X -2 of 2 • Motion:Move to approve the comments in https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0159-0_____-0000-fcc-gn-18-357-5gaa-waiver-ieee-802-comments.docx to FCC’s request for comments (GN Docket No. 18-357) on 5GAA’s Petition for Waiver for use of C-V2X in the U-NII-4 band. With the chair of 802.18 to have editorial privileges and send to the EC for review/approval and submission to the FCC on or before 18 January 2019. • Moved by: • Seconded by: • Discussion? • Vote: __Y / __N / __A Jay Holcomb (Itron)
NTIA soliciting comments on National Spectrum Strategy -1 of 3 • SUMMARY: On behalf of the U.S. Secretary of Commerce, the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) requests comments from interested parties with regard to development of a comprehensive, long-term national spectrum strategy. NTIA seeks broad input from interested stakeholders, including private industry, academia, civil society, and other experts. • Comments must be received by January 22, 2019 • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0168-00-0000-developing-a-sustainable-spectrum-strategy-for-america-s-future-ntia-request-for-comments.pdf • This is related to the presidential memorandum from November plenary: • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0134-00-0000-developing-a-sustainable-spectrum-strategy-for-america-s-future.docx • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0147-00-0000-ieee-802-draft-press-release-supporting-us-spectrum-strategy.docx • There are 5 points and 7 questions • Have been asked to have 802.18 to review and do comments if/where appropriate. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
NTIA soliciting comments on National Spectrum Strategy -2 of 3 • The National Spectrum Strategy is to include legislative, regulatory, or other policy recommendations to: • (a) Increase spectrum access for all users, including on a shared basis, through transparency of spectrum use and improved cooperation and collaboration between Federal and non- Federal spectrum stakeholders; • (b) Create flexible models for spectrum management, including standards, incentives, and enforcement mechanisms that promote efficient and effective spectrum use, including flexible-use spectrum licenses, while accounting for critical safety and security concerns; • (c) Use ongoing research, development, testing, and evaluation [RDT&E] to develop advanced technologies, innovative spectrum utilization methods, and spectrum sharing tools and techniques that increase spectrum access, efficiency, and effectiveness; • (d) Build a secure, automated capability to facilitate assessments of spectrum use and expedite coordination of shared access among Federal and non-Federal spectrum stakeholders; and • (e) Improve the global competitiveness of United States terrestrial and space-related industries and augment the mission capabilities of Federal entities through spectrum policies, domestic regulations, and leadership in international forums.3 Jay Holcomb (Itron)
NTIA soliciting comments on National Spectrum Strategy -3 of 3 • NTIA invites comment on the full range of issues raised in this RFC. NTIA also seeks comment on the following specific questions: • 1. In what ways could the predictability of spectrum access for all users be improved? • 2. To what extent would the introduction of automation facilitate assessments of spectrum use and expedite the coordination of shared access, especially among Federal and non-Federal spectrum stakeholders? • 3. What is the practical extent of applying standards, incentives, and enforcement mechanisms to promote efficient and effective spectrum use? • 4. How might investment in RDT&E improve spectrum-utilization methods, and spectrum-sharing tools and techniques? • 5. What are the risks, if any, to the global competitiveness of U.S. industries associated with spectrum management and policy actions? • 6. How could a spectrum management paradigm be structured such that it satisfies the needs of commercial interests while preserving the spectrum access necessary to satisfy the mission requirements and operations of Federal entities? • 7. What are the likely future needs of spectrum users, both terrestrially and for space-based applications, within the next 15 years? In particular, are present allocations of spectrum sufficient to provide next generation services like Fifth Generation (5G) cellular services and emerging space-based applications? Jay Holcomb (Itron)
U.S. DoT Releases RFC on V2X Communications -1 of 4 • https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/us-department-transportation-releases-request-comment-rfc-vehicle-everything-v2x • The RFC can be found at www.transportation.gov/v2x • Or in Mentor: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0166-00-0000-usdot-v2x-communciations-request-for-comments.docx • Comments: • https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2018-0210-0001 • SUMMARY: Over the past several years, the Department of Transportation and its operating administrations have engaged in numerous activities related to connected vehicles, including vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V), vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I), and vehicle-to-pedestrian (V2P) communications, collectively referred to as “V2X” communications. Recently, there have been developments in core aspects of the communication technologies that could be associated with V2X. This notice requests comment on how these developments impact both V2X in general and the Department’s role in encouraging the integration of V2X. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
U.S. DoT Releases RFC on V2X Communications -2 of 4 • DATES: You should submit your comments within 30 days after the date of publication in the Federal Register • Was published in the Federal Register on 26 Dec, add 30 days: • Comments due 25 Jan 19. • https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/12/26/2018-27785/notice-of-request-for-comments-v2x-communications?utm_campaign=subscription%20mailing%20list&utm_source=federalregister.gov&utm_medium=email • There are 9 basic questions. • Do we want to comment and if so which questions? • Need to approve buy our Thursday AM1 session in St. Louis to meet deadline. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
U.S. DoT Releases RFC on V2X Communications -3 of 4 • Please provide information on what existing or future technologies could be used for V2X communications,. … • … at present only DSRC is permitted to be used in the 5.9 GHz spectrum band for transportation applications. If that allocation were to be changed to allow any communication technology for transportation applications, could DSRC and other technologies operate in the same spectrum band or even the same channel without interference? • To what extent is it technically feasible for multiple V2X communications technologies and protocols to be interoperable with one another? • To what extent is it technically feasible for different generations of the same V2X communications technologies and protocols to be interoperable with one another? • Even if they are interoperable across different technologies and generations of the same technology, would there be advantages if a single communications protocol were to be used for V2V safety communications? Jay Holcomb (Itron)
U.S. DoT Releases RFC on V2X Communications -4 of 4 • How would the development of alternative communication technologies affect other V2I and V2P communications, such as those supporting mobility or environmental applications? • Do different communication technologies present different issues concerning physical security, message security, or other issues such as cybersecurity or privacy? • How could communications technologies (DSRC, C-V2X, 5G or some other technology) be leveraged to support current and emerging automated vehicle applications? • How could deployments, both existing and planned, assess communications needs and determine which technologies are most appropriate and whether and how interoperability could be achieved? Jay Holcomb (Itron)
ACMA - Proposed updates to class licensing arrangements supporting 5G and other technology innovations -1 of 2 • [1] The proposed variation considers updating and expending 60 GHz arrangements (57-66 GHz) for data communication systems, including 5G. Specifically: • adding 66-71 GHz frequency band • updating existing arrangement in 57-66 GHz regarding indoor and outdoor data communication systems. • For more details see IFC 45/2018 Class licensing updates: Supporting 5G and other technology innovations (18 December 2018, closes 22 February 2019). • The three documents are on Mentor: • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0163-00-0000-consultation-paper-proposed-updates-to-class-licensing-arrangements-supporting-5g-and-other-technology-innovations.docx • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0164-00-0000-draft-radiocommunications-low-interference-potential-devices-class-licence-variation-2019-no-1.docx • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0165-00-0000-notice-under-subsection-136-radiocommunications-act-1992-proposed-variation-of-lipd-class-licence-2015.docx Jay Holcomb (Itron)
ACMA - Proposed updates to class licensing arrangements supporting 5G and other technology innovations -2 of 2 • Additional from what was sent to 802.18 list server: • [2] adding new arrangements for "All transmitters" in the 57-64 GHz band. • [3] revising arrangements for underground transmitters in certain bands supporting fixed and mobile services between 70-520 MHz. • [4] adding support for higher power radiodetermination transmitters i.e. radars operating in the 76-77 GHz frequency band [5] adding support for ground and wall penetration radar as adjunct to current apparatus licence arrangements (30-12400 MHz) [6] aligning existing arrangements for ultra-wideband devices with US and European arrangements for generic (indoor and hand-held) devices (3100-3400 MHz and 8500-9000 MHz) and aircraft applications (6000-8500 MHz). • And further inputs from members: • Proposed UWB rules look to be positive. • Supporting the mmWave band expansion, considering both 802.11 and 802.15.3 systems are being implemented and deployed which the expanded 60 GHz band. • May also want to look at [2] above to see if there are any negative impacts on the 802.11 and 802.15.3 mmWave based systems. • Some members are working on some comments. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
General Discussion Items • Further Consultation on the Release of the 410 – 415.5 / 420 – 425.5 MHz Sub-band (for Smart Grids) • https://www.comreg.ie/publication-download/further-consultation-on-the-release-of-the-410-415-5-420-425-5-mhz-sub-band • FYI, though it looks like an auction. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Actions Required • 5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X, should be voting on them this week. • Send in comment text for NTIA’s RFC on spectrum strategy. • Send in comment text on DOT’s Request For Comments on V2X. • Be thinking about ACMA consultation that had 60GHz. • Info: • Latest Cisco VNI 2018-2022 networking trends: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/visual-networking-index-vni/white-paper-c11-741490.pdf Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Any Other Business • Next week is Wireless Interim in St. Louis. • Anything to discuss outside items in this agenda? Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Adjourn • Next teleconference: 31 Jan 2019 – 15:00 – <15:55 ET • No call on 24 Jan 2019. • Call in info: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/16/18-16-0038-11-0000-teleconference-call-in-info.pptx(or latest) (note: new call in for 2019) • Note: If the call-in link doesn’t work send the Chair an email right away. • All changes/cancellations will be sent out to the 802.18 list server. • Adjourn: • Agenda complete, any objection to Adjourn. • None heard, we are Adjourned at 15:______ET • The next face to face meeting of the 802.18 RR-TAG will be at the IEEE 802 13-18 January19 the Wireless Interim in St. Louis, MO, USA at the Hilton St Louis at the Ballpark. • Time slots, Tuesday AM2 and Thursday AM1 • Thank You Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Jay Holcomb (Itron) Thank You • Reference, links to EU sites: • Bran: https://portal.etsi.org/tb.aspx?tbid=287&SubTB=287 • ERM TG-11: https://portal.etsi.org/tb.aspx?tbid=442&SubTB=442 • CEPT SE45: https://cept.org/ecc/groups/ecc/wg-se/se-45/client/introduction/ • CEPT FM57: https://cept.org/ecc/groups/ecc/wg-fm/fm-57/client/introduction/ • OJEU: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/oj/direct-access.html • HS: https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/ Back up and/or previous slides follow
5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X - reference • 2 • Thinking potential comments, any specific points we should consider? • There are 20 comments from phase 1 testing; most say to not divide the spectrum, where the waiver is asking for a division. • Is this a waiver or petition to start a rule making? • Some are questioning this approach. • Where it asks incumbents like DSRC to vacate this band is not a (normal) waiver. • Could it be followed by a more aggressive waiver request with further disruptions? • 802.11 – WiFi access to the band. • Disruptive to both approaches, detect and vacate and re-channelization. • Also would hinder other V-C2X technologies that are being development. • TG 802.11bd, is relevant to this and has Pros on sharing in the band better than C-V2X. (They are not meeting between now 11 Jan.) • James Lepp has a document with 4 main parts/areas moving forward, • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/18/11-18-1945-01-0ngv-work-breakdown-for-p802-11bd.pptx • Why can’t the experimental license accomplish their need? • No input from anyone to comment on this, so will hold for now. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X -1 of 2 • https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/11212224101742/5GAA%20Petition%20for%20Waiver%20-%20Final%2011.21.2018.pdf • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0152-01-0000-5gaa-waiver-to-allow-its-cellular-vehicle-to-everything-c-v2x.docx (link added in Annex D) • The Current Rules Prohibit Use of C-V2X in the 5.9 GHz Band • C-V2X Offers Capabilities Today that are Superior to Those of Other Technologies – Enabling Safety and Other Benefits • C-V2X is a Modern, Standards-Based Technology Designed to Meet Today’s Transportation Challenges as Well as the Evolving Demands of Tomorrow’s 5G Connected Transportation Ecosystem • C-V2X Offers Capabilities Today that are Superior to Those of Other Technologies – Enabling Safety and Other Benefits • C-V2X’s Evolutionary Path to 5G and Subsequent Wireless Generations Will Help to Amplify and Expand Upon the Safety and Other Benefits Enabled by C-V2X Services • C-V2X’s Unique Cost Efficiency Supports an Accelerated Timeline for Deployment • The Commission Should Grant a Waiver of Its Rules to Expedite the Deployment of C-V2X Jay Holcomb (Itron)
5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X -2 of 3 • From last week: • Look at footnotes of 47&48, why this is a wavier, not cont. as exp. license or a rule making. • There is a test report from 5GAA, and their summary is they are doing better than DSRC. • Annex D has the their test results (link added in 18-18/0152r01) • Appendix C has summary of most all tests that are going on. • Appendix D, these should be they rules for the wavier; e.g. 5925-5975 for C-V2X only. • In the long term there is no sharing. • Seems DOT has a connection in some of these test sites. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Presidential Memorandum on Developing a Sustainable Spectrum Strategy for America's Future -1 of 2 • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0134-00-0000-developing-a-sustainable-spectrum-strategy-for-america-s-future.docx • A couple of highlights: • In the growing digital economy, wireless technologies expand opportunities to increase economic output of rural communities and connect them with urban markets, and offer safety benefits that save lives, prevent injuries, and reduce the cost of transportation incidents. • Moreover, it is imperative that America be first in fifth-generation (5G) wireless technologies -- wireless technologies capable of meeting the high-capacity, low-latency, and high-speed requirements that can unleash innovation broadly across diverse sectors of the economy and the public sector. • … create flexible models for spectrum management, including standards, incentives, and enforcement mechanisms that promote efficient and effective spectrum use, including flexible-use spectrum licenses, while accounting for critical safety and security concerns; • There are more. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Presidential Memorandum on Developing a Sustainable Spectrum Strategy for America's Future -2 of 2 • How can we support this policy? • From plenary: Members were not seeing it from 802.18, though asked to review later. • Also, maybe the EC could do a Press Release on some of the topics. • Here is a start of a response leveraging from IEEE SA Spectrum Statement. • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0147-00-0000-ieee-802-draft-press-release-supporting-us-spectrum-strategy.docx • 802.18 discussed in some depth and still not seeing anything from 802.18. • This is not like a public comment solicitation that .18 would normally respond to. • Question asked, what value will we add to the process, as we are not part of the executive branches being asked for input? We agree there is a critical need. • This is something we should keep our eyes on. May not have immediate impact, but could go off the rail some time. • It does have some connection to the IEEE SA position statement they just released on unlicensed spectrum allocation and management. Should a response come from IEEE SA or even IEEE USA? • This could be an opportunity for us to remind people that we need a balance between license and unlicensed spectrum allocation. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
General Discussion Items -4 • Sharing and license-exempt • A study on feasibility and next steps toward a Next Generation Spectrum Management (NGSM). • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/18/11-18-1386-00-0wng-ngsm-next-generation-spectrum-management.pptx • 802.11 San Diego WGN proposal on Future of Unlicensed Spectrum • https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0155-00-00EC-push-to-bi-directional-spectrum-sharing.pptx • A perspective on regardless of everything we do to develop new, better, faster wireless technologies, the available spectrum has a hard limit • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0060-02-0000-a-future-for-unlicensed-spectrum.pptx • Bi-directional sharing • https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0155-00-00EC-push-to-bi-directional-spectrum-sharing.pptx • This came up in the IEEE 802 LeaderCon session in July and the 802.18 chair along with others have an action item to look at this more. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
General Discussion Items -3 of 6 • DSRC ex parte from NCTA • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0129-00-0000-fresh-look-ex-parte-10-15-18-et-13-49-dsrc.pdf • https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/filings?proceedings_name=13-49&sort=date_disseminated,DESC • https://www.fcc.gov/document/commissioner-orielly-statement-ncta-59-ghz-letter • STATEMENT OF Commissioner MICHAEL O’Rielly • WASHINGTON, October 16, 2018. – “It is pure folly to believe that DSRC will ever work as envisioned, as time and technology advancements elsewhere have undermined previous use cases. As NCTA correctly seeks in today’s ex parte letter, the Commission should quickly reexamine the 5.9 GHz band for repurposing. Once concluded, I am confident that at least 45 megahertz can be reallocated for unlicensed services without jeopardizing automobile safety.” • DOT has had this spectrum for nearly 20 years and still not getting to done. • We tried before (11p, …) and not looking we could get single voice out of .11 now, e.g. NGV etc. • At the teleconferences, decided to hold and see what happens. • Additional: • https://www.fcc.gov/document/commissioner-rosenworcel-statement-59-ghz-band • STATEMENT OF COMMISSIONER JESSICA ROSENWORCEL • “I continue to support efforts to facilitate safe, unlicensed access to the 5.9 GHz band. In the nearly twenty years since the FCC allocated this spectrum, autonomous and connected vehicles have largely moved beyond dedicated short range communications technology to newer, market-driven alternatives. It is time to take a fresh look at this band to allow a broader range of uses. By taking these steps now, we can support automobile safety, increase spectrum for Wi-Fi, and grow our wireless economy.” Jay Holcomb (Itron)
General Discussion Items -4a of 6 • Phase I testing of prototype U-NII-4 devices-1 of 3 • The Commission’s Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) is requesting comment on the report for Phase I of tests performed to evaluate potential sharing solutions between the proposed Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure (U-NII) devices and Dedicated Short Range Communications (DSRC) operations in the 5850-5925 MHz (U-NII-4) frequency band. The attached report provides a detailed summary of the testing methodology, measurements, and observations. • Request for comments: • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0140-00-0000-phase-i-testing-of-prototype-u-nii-4-devices.docx • Report: • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0141-00-0000-phase-i-testing-of-prototype-u-nii-4-devices-report.pdf • Proceeding: • https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/filings?proceedings_name=13-49&sort=date_disseminated,DESC • https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-requests-comment-59-ghz-phase-i-testing-data • Comment Date: 28 November 2018 • EC vote 16nov, or do reply comments. • Reply Comments Date: 13 December 2018 Jay Holcomb (Itron)
General Discussion Items -4b of 6 • Phase I testing of prototype U-NII-4 devices-2 of 3 • As summarized in the report, we found the prototype devices reliably detected DSRC signals. The report includes the results of the evaluation of the Wi-Fi sharing techniques since one of the proposed band sharing methods would require re-channelization of the DSRC spectrum. In brief, the test results show that the prototype U-NII-4 devices were able to detect a co-channel DSRC signal and implement post detection steps as claimed by the submitters. • Knowing history, can we get agreement on points to comment on? • What would they be? • Detect and vacate mentioned above, is not covering if there is any harmful interference. • Mitigation seems to still be open. • DOT will be the judge on safety of transportation. They get the say what is needed. The report is just a testing report, and not on the safety of transportation. • O’Reily’s comment does not consider there is CV2X, C-V2X, …. …. coming along now, that is being discussed elsewhere. • In the end for those on the earlier call, not looking like there is interest for IEEE 802 to comment. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
General Discussion Items -4c of 6 • Phase I testing of prototype U-NII-4 devices-3 of 3 • Statement of commissioner Michael O’Rielly on 5.9 GHz phase I testing data • DOC-354831A1.docxDOC-354831A1.pdfDOC-354831A1.txt • While I appreciate release of the 5.9 GHz Phase I testing data, the results are not all that surprising given the simple questions posed. The reality is that the entire debate has gravitated away from the type of sharing regime envisioned in the testing. Instead, the Commission should move past this and initiate a rulemaking to reallocate at least 45 megahertz of the band, which is completely unused today for automobile safety • Commissioner Rosenworcel on phase I test report of prototype U-N-II-4 devices. • DOC-354830A1.docxDOC-354830A1.pdfDOC-354830A1.txt • “Nearly two years after the deadline for completing a three-phase test plan to determine whether auto safety and Wi-Fi can share the 5.9 GHz band, this agency is releasing the results of its lab testing. These results are long overdue. But we need to do more than just make our work public. We need to start a rulemaking to take a fresh look at this band and its real possibilities.” Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Potential reference document when doing comments • Note: in the 802.19 co-existence <1 GHz meeting it was brought up for IEEE 802 as a whole to put together a document on basic spectrum parameters that would be good for all IEEE 802 standards to co-exist (less interference….) • Actually, need to have this for all IEEE 802 to just work in the spectrum, e.g. BWs needed. Not just coexistence. • Point being that 802.18 can refer to / use when responding to regulators on different consultations, to encourage regulators in general to configure their spectrum to allow all the IEEE 802 standards in a more consistent/friendly way. • For the many in attendance, it was felt many regulators would appreciate at least knowing this. • Additional point to add to the doc, duty cycle is not for the protocol/standard/amendment being discussed, it is a regulation to allow others (and their packet lengths) to have access to the spectrum. Jay Holcomb (Itron)
Fellowship Request • Fellowship request on reaching out to all regulators. • Enhancing Collaboration between IEEE 802 and World Regulators on unlicensed spectrum regulations • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/18/11-18-0580-01-coex-enhancing-collaboration-between-ieee-802-and-world-regulators-on-unlicensed-spectrum-regulations.pptx • Thursday: • A start is to keep in touch with the fellowship attendees. • They are welcome to our meetings and calls. • Could something be added to the IEEE newsletter/communication for the regulators, to answer the news letter input? • Can IEEE be more pro-active with some of the other (e.g. regional) regulators? • The challenge is to ID which we can, and being a volunteer / individual organization, the time and money from the volunteers? • Many regulators don’t have IEEE has a point of contact like they do with WFA or other implementing orgs do. Jay Holcomb (Itron)