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LUNCH TODAY @ 12 :05 Allen Bhimani 3. Chung 4. Massey 5. McGivern 6. Olsen 7. Retenauer . LUNCH THURS @ 12:25 1. Barnes 2. Cappell 3. Hearn 4. Joyner 5. Parkins 6. Smittick 7. Tuchman.
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LUNCH TODAY @ 12:05 Allen Bhimani 3. Chung 4. Massey 5. McGivern 6. Olsen 7. Retenauer LUNCH THURS @ 12:25 1. Barnes 2. Cappell 3. Hearn 4. Joyner 5. Parkins 6. Smittick 7. Tuchman The Essential Louis Armstrong: Disc 1 (Recordings 1925-30)
Welcome Back! Today: • Mapping the Holding of Manning • Compare Mullett and Manning • Logistical Update • Albers under Mullett and Manning • The Logic of Albers (as time allows)
Mapping the Holding of MANNING The original owner retains property rights in an escapedanimal f.n. [that had been owned for two yrs] [that responded to its name] [that has escaped and returned before] [that had distinctive crest] [that had been missing for only five days] [that owner located day after it was found]
Mapping the Holding of MANNING DQ44: Last Time • Exact scope of Manning holding unclear • Use other language from case to flesh out
Mapping the Holding of MANNING The law of Georgia is, that to have property in animals, birds and fishes which are wild by nature, one must have them within his actual possession, custody or control, and this he may do by taming, domesticating, or confining them. • Could mean, “Once tamed, yours forever”, but structure of case suggests more complex rule • Could simply mean Mitcherson owned bird prior to escape.
Mapping the Holding of MANNING To say that if one has a canary bird, mocking bird, parrot, or any other bird so kept and it should accidentally escape from its cage to the street, or to a neighboring house, that the first person who caught it would be its owner, is wholly at variance with our views of right and justice. For Sweet, probably not an accident! Probably means owner did not deliberately allow bird to fly free
Mapping the Holding of MANNING To say that if one has a canary bird, mocking bird, parrot, or any other bird so kept and it should accidentally escape from its cage to the street, or to a neighboring house, that the first person who caught it would be its owner, is wholly at variance with our views of right and justice. Likely true here; if so, why relevant?
Mapping the Holding of MANNING To say that if one has a canary bird, mocking bird, parrot, or any other bird so kept and it should accidentally escape from its cage to the street, or to a neighboring house, that the first person who caught it would be its owner, is wholly at variance with our views of right and justice. Likely true here; if so, why relevant? • Only a short distance from point of escape? • Not returned to natural liberty? (although court doesn’t use this phrase)
Mapping the Holding of MANNING The original owner retains property rights in an escapedanimal f.n. [that had been owned for two yrs] [that responded to its name] [that has escaped and returned before] [that had distinctive crest] [that had been missing for only five days] [that owner located day after it was found] [that was captured a short distance away]
Mapping the Holding of MANNING To say that if one has a canary bird, mocking bird, parrot, or any other bird so kept and it should accidentally escape from its cage to the street, or to a neighboring house, that the first person who caught it would be its owner, is wholly at variance with our views of right and justice. WHY? (This is rhetoric, not explanation. You need to do better.)
Mapping the Holding of MANNING To say that if one has a canary bird, mocking bird, parrot, or any other bird so kept and it should accidentally escape from its cage to the street, or to a neighboring house, that the first person who caught it would be its owner, is wholly at variance with our views of right and justice. WHY? • MAYBE: Unfair to OO; too close in time and distance to lose rights • MAYBE: Finder should know that there is prior OO, so shouldn’t keep it • MAYBE BOTH
Mapping the Holding of MANNING To hold that the traveling organist with his attendant monkey, if it should slip its collar, and go at will out of his immediate possession and control, and be captured by another person, that he would be the true owner and the organist lose all claim to it, is hardly to be expected; or that the wild animals of a menagerie, should they escape from their owner's immediate possession, would belong to the first person who should subject them to his dominion. WHY THESE ANIMALS?
Mapping the Holding of MANNING To hold that the traveling organist with his attendant monkey, if it should slip its collar, and go at will out of his immediate possession and control, and be captured by another person, that he would be the true owner and the organist lose all claim to it, is hardly to be expected; or that the wild animals of a menagerie, should they escape from their owner's immediate possession, would belong to the first person who should subject them to his dominion. WHY THESE ANIMALS? • MAYBE: Valuable (though canary much less) • MAYBE: Finder should know there is prior owner
Mapping the Holding of MANNING Wild Animals of a Menagerie • Menagerie = Zoo (Not Usually Tamed) • Court specifically says “wild animals of a menagerie” Again, inconsistent with simple holding that OO retains any tamed animal
Mapping the Holding of MANNING To hold that the traveling organist with his attendant monkey, if it should slip its collar, and go at will out of his immediate possession and control, and be captured by another person, that he would be the true owner and the organist lose all claim to it, is hardly to be expected; or that the wild animals of a menagerie, should they escape from their owner's immediate possession, would belong to the first person who should subject them to his dominion. • Again looks like short time/distance relevant.
Mapping the Holding of MANNING OO retains ppty rts in an escapedanimal f.n.: [that had been owned for two yrs] [that responded to its name] [that has escaped and returned before] [that had distinctive crest] [that had been missing for only five days] [that owner located day after it was found] [that was captured a short distance away] Lots of Broader Variations Possible
Mapping the Holding of MANNING: DQ49 Squirrel hypo designed to get you to play with the holding in the way that litigators do, trying to find a plausible version helpful to their client’s position.
Mapping the Holding of MANNING: DQ49 Squirrel hypo designed to get you to play with the holding in the way that litigators do, trying to find a plausible version helpful to their client’s position. Start by determining which facts of your current case seem helpful and which seem harmful to your client under Manning.
Helpful to A Owned for 3 Months Responds to Name Comfortable w Humans* Identifying Markings Helpful to B Squirrel Travels “Across Town”* No Prior Return 2 Months Before Found* Markings Not Man-Made (apparently)* Mapping the Holding of MANNING: DQ49
Mapping the Holding of MANNING: DQ49 Squirrel hypo designed to get you to play with the holding in the way that litigators do, trying to find a plausible version helpful to their client’s position. Try to craft holding that emphasizes helpful facts and minimizes harmful ones.
Mapping the Holding of MANNING: DQ49 • Some student responses included broad and narrow versions of the holding. BUT • Playing with multiple versions of holding is an exercise we do to see what a case might mean in the future. • This exercise was to come up with a single version that is especially helpful to your position in your current case.
Mapping the Holding of MANNING: DQ49 Sample for Alaina (narrow version; includes almost all helpful facts): OO retains property rights in an escaped animal f.n. • that was previously under the owner’s control, • that responded to its name when called, • that had distinctive markings, • that had been missing for a short period of time and was located by the owner soon after [arguable]. -- Lauterbach
Mapping the Holding of MANNING: DQ49 Sample for Alaina (broader versions; focuses on a few key facts): OO retains property rights in an escaped animal f.n. that is… • tamed to the extent that it knows its name and remembers its name after a significant period of time -- Beal • tamed, trained to answer by name, and marked in such a way as to make identification straightfor-ward – Parkins (similar by Douglas, Lauterbach)
Mapping the Holding of MANNING: DQ49 Sample for Alaina (a little too broad): OO retains property rights in an escaped animal f.n. if it accidentally escapes from their immediate possession and comes under the control of another person. Good idea to use language from case BUT: • No limit on time and distance • No reference to taming or marking • Looks like OO always wins; case doesn’t say that.
Mapping the Holding of MANNING: DQ49 Sample for Brandon (narrow version; includes almost all helpful facts): OO retains property rights in an escaped animal f.n.: • that was previously owned for two years, • that had escaped and returned before, • that had been missing for only a few days, and • that owner located day after it was found. -- Lauterbach
Mapping the Holding of MANNING: DQ49 Sample for Brandon: (Focusing on Time as Key Element): OO retains property rights in an escaped animal f.n. that had been possessed by the OO prior to escape for an amount of time substantially greater than the amount of time the animal was at large and substantially greater than the amount of time that the animal was possessed by the finder.--Douglas (with some editing )
Mullett Abandoned: Maybe Animus Rev. No Ret’d to NL Yes Manning No Maybe Maybe Mullett v. Manning :MullettFactors
Mullett Tamed: Marked. Time Owned Out Till Found Distance Manning Yes Man-Made 2 Yrs 4 Days 5 Days Same Town Mullett v. Manning :ManningFactors
Mullett Tamed: No Info Marked; Blemishes Time Owned Unclear (Less) Out 2 Weeks Till Found 1 Year Distance70 Miles Manning Yes Man-Made 2 Years 4 Days 5 Days Same Town Mullett v. Manning :ManningFactors
Mullett Abandoned: Maybe Animus Rev. No Ret’d to NL Yes Tamed: No Info Marked; Blemishes Time Owned Unclear (Less) Out 2 Weeks Till Found 1 Year Distance70 Miles Manning No Maybe Maybe Yes Man-Made 2 Years 4 Days 5 Days Same Town Mullett v. Manning :Better Case for OO (DQ47)
Mullett v. Manning :Better Case for OO (DQ47) • Manning is a better case for the OO on every factor explicitly made relevant by the two cases.
Mullett v. Manning :Better Case for OO (DQ47) • Manning is a better case for the OO on every factor explicitly made relevant by the two cases. • Very unusual. In exam hypos, situation often better on some factors, worse on others, so you have to discuss which factors outweigh the others and why.
Mullett v. Manning :Rule That Covers Both (DQ48) Lesorgen Formulation #1 OO loses property rights in an escaped animal when the animal, without an intention to return, can provide for itself and is in its state of natural liberty. • Essentially a restatement of Mullett rule, so consistent with Mullett. • Consistent with Manningif you assume the canary could not have provided for itself.
Mullett v. Manning :Rule That Covers Both (DQ48) Lesorgen Formulation #2 OO retains ownership in an escaped wild animal if he can show a substantial connection between himself and the wild animal through taming, an intent to return, or any other acts of dominion for a sufficient time of possession, and the owner has not abandoned his search once the animal has escaped.
Mullett v. Manning :Rule That Covers Both (DQ48) OO retains ownership in an escaped wild animal if he can show a substantial connection between himself and the wild animal through taming, an intent to return, or any other acts of dominion for a sufficient time of possession, and the owner has not abandoned his search once the animal has escaped. • Mullett: ambiguous phrases might be met, especially if Mullett trained sea lion prior to escape. Might need to modify language.
Mullett v. Manning :Rule That Covers Both (DQ48) OO retains ownership in an escaped wild animal if he can show a substantial connection between himself and the wild animal through taming, an intent to return, or any other acts of dominion for a sufficient time of possession, and the OO has not abandoned his search once the animal has escaped. • Manning: Last phrase might be too strict; we don’t know if Mitcherson had continued searching. Might want to modify language to read, “the OO has not unreasonably abandoned his search.”
LOGISTICS Info Memo #3 Posted • Info for Students Taking My Midterm • Exam Tips (For Everyone) • Write-up of Mullett/Manning Briefs • Write-up of Review Problem #1 • Review Problem #2 • Briefing Instructions for Trial Court Opinions
LOGISTICS • Info Memo #3 Posted • Note: Responsible for Info Memo Content • Course Materials for Unit Two Posted • We’ll Start Unit Two Next Week • Assignment Sheet Updated After Class Today • Note: Kesler & DQs 56-58: • Listed for Friday; May Get Pushed to Monday • Should be MERCURY, not NEON • I’ll fix on Assmt. Sheet
LOGISTICS • Info Memo #3 Posted • Course Materials for Unit Two Posted • Midterm • Take Seriously If You Are Taking It • Office Hours 1:30-4:00 Saturday • I’ll Post Simultaneously on Course Page
Albers under Mullett and Manning:DQ50 Mullett Factors (from last time) • Abandoned: Only by Compulsion • Animus Rev. No • Ret’d to NL Probably Yes
Albers under Mullett and Manning:DQ50 Manning Factors • TAMING: Evidence? • Fox took food from Hand • Court says “Semi-Domesticated” Less than in Manning. Enough? If unsure, check for reason behind rule
Albers under Mullett and Manning:DQ50 Manning Factors • TAMING: Evidence? • Fox took food from Hand • Court says “Semi-Domesticated” Evidence of Labor or Personal Connection? Not much, so unlikely to be considered tamed.
Albers under Mullett and Manning:DQ50 Manning Factors • TAMING: Less than Manning • MARKING: Tattoos in Ears How strong is mark?
Albers under Mullett and Manning:DQ50 Manning Factors • TAMING: Less than Manning • MARKING: Tattoos: How Strong? • 335 = Clearly Man-Made (Maybe Not 1) • Maybe Hard for Non-Expert to Find? • Unlikely to Disappear • Identifies Owner • Industry Practice Other Facts Giving Notice to Finder?
Albers under Mullett and Manning:DQ50 Manning Factors • TAMING: Less than Manning • MARKING: • Tattoos: Quite Strong • Other Facts Giving Notice to Finder? • Type of Fox Unknown in Area • Industry Well-Known in Area
Albers under Mullett and Manning:DQ50 Manning Factors • TAMING: Less than Manning • MARKING: • Tattoos: Quite Strong • Other Facts Giving Notice to Finder? • Type of Fox Unknown in Area • Industry Well-Known in Area