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Fish with Limbs—An Illusion

Explore the article "Fish with Limbs—An Illusion" by Colin Brown, which challenges the idea of fish evolving limbs. Discover how gene mutations and DNA repair systems limit such changes.

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Fish with Limbs—An Illusion

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  1. Sermons From Science -- Jan 2014科学布道-- 2014年1月 Sermons from Science is now published in both YouTube under the name “Pastor Chui” and also in PowerPoint slides in the website http://ChristCenterGospel.org. The contents of this presentation were taken from different sources and in the Internet. May God have all the glory. Pastor Chui http://ChristCenterGospel.org ckchui1@yahoo.com 12/20/2019 1

  2. Fish with Limbs—An Illusion 鱼有四肢是一个幻想 • In the Volume 50, Fall 2013 issue of the Creation Research Society Quarterly, there is an article entitled “Fish with Limbs—An Illusion” by Colin Brown. He remarked that the “gene HoxD13 was put into a zebrafish. This altered the structure of the zebrafish’s fins, producing the illusion of limb-like structures. However, it would take numerous gene mutations to produce a real limb. Symmetric variation will never allow this to happen. A fruit fly underwent 270,000 positive mutations yet remained unquestionably fruit fly. 12/20/2019 2

  3. Fish with Limbs—An Illusion 鱼有四肢是一个幻想 • “In the valine codon, changes to the third base position will still result in the valine being placed into the peptide chain (known as a silent mutation). However, changes in the first and second base positions will alter the amino acid placed into the peptide (known as missense mutations). The body’s DNA repair systems will restore most of these base changes to their original form. In mice, they returned 85% within just 24 hours. Those changes, allowed to remain, will only do so if they do not upset the balance of development. This limits the type of changes such mutations will produce. 12/20/2019 3

  4. Fish with Limbs—An Illusion 鱼有四肢是一个幻想 • “One lungfish has the same HoxD13 gene, but no limb-like structures are produced. Evolutionists date tetrapods back as far as 397 million years, with a history extending into the Silurian period, before the main lines of lobe-finned fish. This removes links of the HoxD13 gene with the evolution of limbs in fish. • “Evolutionist claims again fall short—just like the claims about this experiment with the zebrafish.” • Thank Colin Brown for his excellent reporting. • Let us give all glory to God the Creator. 12/20/2019 4

  5. Gloria Deo 愿荣耀归上帝 12/20/2019 5

  6. Sermons From Science -- Jan 2014科学布道-- 2014年1月 Sermons from Science is now published in both YouTube under the name “Pastor Chui” and also in PowerPoint slides in the website http://ChristCenterGospel.org. The contents of this presentation were taken from different sources and in the Internet. May God have all the glory. Pastor Chui http://ChristCenterGospel.org ckchui1@yahoo.com 12/20/2019 6

  7. Hitler and the Nazi Darwinian Worldview希特勒和纳粹达尔文主义世界观 • This is the title of a book review by Kitty Foth-Regner. Her review is published in the Volume 50, Fall 2013 of the CRSQ. The subtitle of this book by Jerry Bergman is “How the Nazi Eugenic Crusade for a Superior Race Caused the Greatest Holocaust in World History.” She says that “Bergman exhaustively documents his contentions about ‘doctrinaire Darwinist’ Adolf Hitler. • “A central goal of Hitler and his government was the development and implementation of eugenics to produce a ‘superior race,’ often called the Aryan, Teutonic or Nordic race. At the very least, this goal required preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior in order to reduce contamination of the gene pool. Hitler believed that what we today recognize as the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding, similar to how farmers breed superior cattle. 12/20/2019 7

  8. Hitler and the Nazi Darwinian Worldview希特勒和纳粹达尔文主义世界观 • “Of the many factors that produced Hitler’s eugenic and genocidal programs, one of the more important was Darwin’s notion that evolutionary progress occurs primarily as a result of the elimination of the weak in the struggle for survival and allowing the strong to flourish. Darwin-inspired eugenics clearly played a role. • “Bergman provides up-close-and-personal analyses of Hitler’s most important and influential henchmen, including Mengele, Bormann, Himmler, Goebbels, Goring, Heydrich, Rosenberg, and Streicher. • “Bergman closes his book with a weighty chapter titled ‘What Can Be Learned from Attempts to Apply Darwinism to Society.’ • “The German government subsidized reproduction among ‘racially and biologically desirable’ couples, advanced the breeding of the Nordic super-race, and sponsored mass kidnapping of ‘racially valuable’ children. 12/20/2019 8

  9. Hitler and the Nazi Darwinian Worldview希特勒和纳粹达尔文主义世界观 • “Germany was known in the first part of the twentieth century as the home of the most accomplished scientists in the world, including the majority of Nobel Laureates. These were the experts who gave Hitler the scientific justification he needed to advance his horrific programs. • “Scientists are highly vulnerable to intellectual and moral corruption—opportunities will be used if they promise more influence and success. • “Apparently not even medical doctors could resist. The psychiatric and medical professions were among the most enthusiastic supporters of Nazi race programs. • “Even outspoken Harvard professor Stephen Jay Gould wrote ‘Biological arguments for racism increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory by scientists in most nations.’ 12/20/2019 9

  10. Hitler and the Nazi Darwinian Worldview希特勒和纳粹达尔文主义世界观 • “Consider the alarming increase in reports of anti-Semitism in many parts of the world. Or consider the ‘weaning of Americans from Christianity by banning public display of Christian symbols and ritual. This is remarkably reminiscent of what Nazi Germany did. • “Or consider any of the other steps the Western world is taking, from gun control legislation to interfering with (and in some cases persecuting) home-schooling parents—all echoes of Hitler’s own policies. 12/20/2019 10

  11. Hitler and the Nazi Darwinian Worldview希特勒和纳粹达尔文主义世界观 • “Many in Germany, early on, recognized the harm of Darwinism, and the Prussian Minister of Education for a time in 1875 forbade the ‘schoolmasters in the country to have anything to do with Darwinism…with a view or protecting schoolchildren from the dangers of the new doctrines.’ Would the Nazi Holocaust have occurred if this ban had remained in effect? • “I believe Dr. Bergman answers affirmatively and persuasively in this very important book.” 12/20/2019 11

  12. Gloria Deo 愿荣耀归上帝 12/20/2019 12

  13. Sermons From Science -- Jan 2014科学布道-- 2014年1月 Sermons from Science is now published in both YouTube under the name “Pastor Chui” and also in PowerPoint slides in the website http://ChristCenterGospel.org. The contents of this presentation were taken from different sources and in the Internet. May God have all the glory. Pastor Chui http://ChristCenterGospel.org ckchui1@yahoo.com 12/20/2019 13

  14. Colossal Canyon Discovery 巨大的峡谷发现 • The Creation 36(1) 2014 magazine has a report on “An enormous mega-canyon has been discovered beneath the deep ice of Greenland. Scientists used airborne radar data to see through the 3-km-thick ice sheet, and were shocked to find a huge canyon similar in scale to the world-famous Grand Canyon of the USA, but nearly twice as long. It is carved up to 800 m (2600 ft) deep into the solid bedrock that underlies the ice, beginning in the middle of Greenland and continuing northwards to the sea. It is the world’s longest canyon. 12/20/2019 14

  15. Colossal Canyon Discovery 巨大的峡谷发现 • “Many scientists are surprised because they assumed that all the major features of the earth’s land surface had already been discovered. What is more, they don’t understand how the canyon can be so deep and sharply cut, because their long-age thinking has led them to believe it is about 4 million years old. In such a length of time, the unrelenting grinding force of glaciers should have worn the canyon down into a shallower valley with a rounded, U-shaped cross-section. 12/20/2019 15

  16. Colossal Canyon Discovery 巨大的峡谷发现 • “The scientists say that the canyon formed before Greenland was covered with ice, and that ‘the distinctive V-shaped walls and flat bottom suggests water carved the buried valley.’ They think a river must have been responsible. But by all accounts, that must have been some river! If they took off their long-age glasses and used biblical ones instead, they would see that high-energy, channelized run-off during the closing stages of the global Flood very quickly carved the canyon. This happened as the freshly-formed landmasses rose and the ocean basins sank, about 4,500 years ago.” 12/20/2019 16

  17. Gloria Deo 愿荣耀归上帝 12/20/2019 17

  18. Sermons From Science -- Jan 2014科学布道-- 2014年1月 Sermons from Science is now published in both YouTube under the name “Pastor Chui” and also in PowerPoint slides in the website http://ChristCenterGospel.org. The contents of this presentation were taken from different sources and in the Internet. May God have all the glory. Pastor Chui http://ChristCenterGospel.org ckchui1@yahoo.com 12/20/2019 18

  19. Book Review of “The First Four Days”“第一个四天”的书评 • The book review was done by Don Ensign on Delmar Dobberpuhl’s (DD) book “The First Four Days.” DD is concerned with the days of creation as divine actions: • Divine action 1 is the creation of the physical substance of the universe, described as a perfect fluid of very low velocity—quark soup, which forms into protons and neutrons in a short time. • Divine action 2 is the formation of light, both as particles and waves, and subatomic particles. The physical laws of electromagnetism and nuclear forces were created, causing these particles to form atoms and molecules which clump into primordial blob. Black holes came into existence. 12/20/2019 19

  20. Book Review of “The First Four Days”“第一个四天”的书评 • Divine action 3 shows God as an architect and builder. He separated the primordial blob into many ultra-massive black holes which are filled with large amounts of matter. These black holes were turned into white holes to form galaxies. • Divine action 4 was to separate the sea water from the emerging dry land on the earth. • Divine action 5 prepared the ecosystem by introducing plant life both on land and at sea. • Divine action 6 transformed proto-stars into light providers. The distant starlight problem was solved by superluminal light speeds and gravity wrapping of 4-D space-time. 12/20/2019 20

  21. Book Review of “The First Four Days”“第一个四天”的书评 • DD admits that the formation of galaxies from white holes are speculative because it was done by supernatural means. The formation of the universe is not extensions of today’s naturally occurring processes. Therefore, these are miracles. • DD provides an interesting account for the first four days in Genesis. It might appeal to those with a physics background. • DD’s framework needs a lot of work. It is an exercise for future generations. • Thank God for his interesting perspective to the first four days of Genesis. 12/20/2019 21

  22. Gloria Deo 愿荣耀归上帝 12/20/2019 22

  23. Sermons From Science -- Jan 2014科学布道-- 2014年1月 Sermons from Science is now published in both YouTube under the name “Pastor Chui” and also in PowerPoint slides in the website http://ChristCenterGospel.org. The contents of this presentation were taken from different sources and in the Internet. May God have all the glory. Pastor Chui http://ChristCenterGospel.org ckchui1@yahoo.com 12/20/2019 23

  24. “Terror Bird” Was Probably a Herbivore “恐怖鸟”可能是一个草食动物 • In the Creation 36(1) 2014 issue, there is an article on Terror Bird. “Based on its size and enormous, ferocious-looking beak, scientists assumed that the Terror Bird, Gastornis, was a ruthless carnivore. However, recent research has undermined this assumption. • “First, US paleontologists found fossil footprints said to belong to an American cousin of Gastornis which do not show any imprints of sharp claws, needed to grapple prey. • “Second, the bird’s large size and presumed inability to move fast throws into question its ability to capture prey. 12/20/2019 24

  25. “Terror Bird” Was Probably a Herbivore “恐怖鸟”可能是一个草食动物 • “Third, analysis of the calcium isotope composition in the bones of Gastornis matches that of herbivores. • “As we have explained many times previously, just because a creature has carnivorous ‘equipment’ (‘ferocious’ teeth, claws, beaks, etc.), does not necessarily make it a carnivore. See “‘Carnivorous’ dinosaurs had plant diet” in creation.com/veg-dinos.” • Thank God for the Creation magazine’s excellent reporting. 12/20/2019 25

  26. Gloria Deo 愿荣耀归上帝 12/20/2019 26

  27. Sermons From Science -- Jan 2014科学布道-- 2014年1月 Sermons from Science is now published in both YouTube under the name “Pastor Chui” and also in PowerPoint slides in the website http://ChristCenterGospel.org. The contents of this presentation were taken from different sources and in the Internet. May God have all the glory. Pastor Chui http://ChristCenterGospel.org ckchui1@yahoo.com 12/20/2019 27

  28. Darwin Descendant Found Faith 达尔文的后代找到信仰 • In the Creation 36(1) 2014 issue, there is an article on Darwin great-great-great-granddaughter, Laura Keynes, who holds a PhD from Oxford University, and is now a professing passionate Catholic. “She was in her 20s when a flurry of atheistic publications from the likes of Richard Dawkins brought the ‘God debate’ to public prominence. To Keynes’ surprise, “I expected to be moved by their arguments, but after reading on both sides of the debate, I couldn’t dismiss a compelling intellectual case for faith.” 12/20/2019 28

  29. Darwin Descendant Found Faith 达尔文的后代找到信仰 • “What’s more, Keynes actually credits ‘Dawkins and company’ for driving her away from atheism. She explains, “One of the things that made me wary of ‘new atheism’ was the strange mix of angry emotions I encountered there: anger at the thought of God; anger at any restrictions on behaviour; anger at thwarted will; pride in the exertion of will; pride in feeling intellectually superior; contempt for anyone who reveals human vulnerability in asking for the grace of God.” 12/20/2019 29

  30. Darwin Descendant Found Faith 达尔文的后代找到信仰 • “She also noted that “it’s odd for people who claim they value reason so highly to make such large concessions to emotions.” • “Laura Keynes now finds that when friends and family see her, many of them ‘raise arguments against Christianity, unprovoked…’.” • How interesting the above account is. • Let us pray for Laura to have enough strength to undergo Satanic attacks on her. Pray for the Holy Spirit’s power on her to win her friends and family to Christ. 12/20/2019 30

  31. Gloria Deo 愿荣耀归上帝 12/20/2019 31

  32. Sermons From Science -- Jan 2014科学布道-- 2014年1月 Sermons from Science is now published in both YouTube under the name “Pastor Chui” and also in PowerPoint slides in the website http://ChristCenterGospel.org. The contents of this presentation were taken from different sources and in the Internet. May God have all the glory. Pastor Chui http://ChristCenterGospel.org ckchui1@yahoo.com 12/20/2019 32

  33. Creation Is Always the Turning Point 创造是永远的转折点 • In the Creation 36(1) 2014 issue, there is an article on the importance of creation in evangelism. “It’s especially critical for winning people in animistic and majority-Buddhist regions to Christ. In context of possible freeing-up of opportunities to present the Gospel in Burma, the Chairman of the Bible Society of Myanmar, Rev. Saw Shwe, recently said: “Bibles are really essential for reaching Myanmar people of other faiths. They want the whole Bible, not just a New Testament, because the creation story in Genesis is always the turning point from their Buddhist ideology.” 12/20/2019 33

  34. Gloria Deo 愿荣耀归上帝 12/20/2019 34

  35. Sermons From Science -- Jan 2014科学布道-- 2014年1月 Sermons from Science is now published in both YouTube under the name “Pastor Chui” and also in PowerPoint slides in the website http://ChristCenterGospel.org. The contents of this presentation were taken from different sources and in the Internet. May God have all the glory. Pastor Chui http://ChristCenterGospel.org ckchui1@yahoo.com 12/20/2019 35

  36. Geneticists Get Adam Timing Wrong 遗传学家取得亚当时间错误 • In the Creation 36(1) 2014 issue, there is an article on the timing of the Y chromosome. “New analysis of the male sex chromosome has overturned earlier pronouncements from evolutionary geneticists that men’s most recent common ancestor lived around 50,000 years ago. They have shifted the date back to 135,000 years ago, about the same as geneticists had earlier claimed for the ‘mother of all women’ (on the basis of analysis of mitochondrial DNA, which only women pass on to their children). 12/20/2019 36

  37. Geneticists Get Adam Timing Wrong 遗传学家取得亚当时间错误 • “Of course they try to distance their findings from having anything to do with the biblical Adam and Eve. Except for the ‘dates’, the genetic data are compatible with all people being descendants of Adam and Eve. The data don’t require large populations of people. And the inflated ‘dates’ were derived from evolutionary assumptions about history and mutation rates. When currently measured rates of mitochondrial DNA mutation are used, for example, the timeframe for ‘Eve’ reduces considerably. The genetic data actually agree better with biblical history than the evolutionary story.” 12/20/2019 37

  38. Geneticists Get Adam Timing Wrong 遗传学家取得亚当时间错误 • The creation.com/eve has the following reporting: • “When these assumed rates were checked out against the real world, preliminary results indicate that the mitochondrial ‘molecular clock’ is ticking at a much faster rate than evolutionists believed possible. If correct, it means that mitochondrial Eve lived 6,000 to 6,500 years ago, right in the ballpark for the true ‘mother of all living’.” • Praise God for such a finding. 12/20/2019 38

  39. Gloria Deo 愿荣耀归上帝 12/20/2019 39

  40. Sermons From Science -- Jan 2014科学布道-- 2014年1月 Sermons from Science is now published in both YouTube under the name “Pastor Chui” and also in PowerPoint slides in the website http://ChristCenterGospel.org. The contents of this presentation were taken from different sources and in the Internet. May God have all the glory. Pastor Chui http://ChristCenterGospel.org ckchui1@yahoo.com 12/20/2019 40

  41. Simple Solution to Moon’s Magnetic Puzzle月亮磁性拼图的简单解决方案 • In the Creation 36(1) 2014 issue, there is an article on the puzzle of the moon’s magnetic field. “Two samples of volcanic basalt from the moon were found to be more strongly magnetized than expected. Study lead-author Clemet Suavet explained that when lava solidifies, it takes on the magnetic field in its environment. Most scientists say that the moon formed 4.6 billion years ago and that churning in its molten core worked like a dynamo creating its magnetic field. If this were so, the field should have decayed long ago, but lava samples from meteor impacts show the magnetic field was much stronger for much longer than expected. 12/20/2019 41

  42. Simple Solution to Moon’s Magnetic Puzzle月亮磁性拼图的简单解决方案 • “Some scientists suggested that meteorite impacts may have lurched the moon and kept its dynamo going for longer. Others suggested that the inside of the moon wobbled and stirred the core, keeping the field going. However, the latest basalt samples mean the magnetic field was even stronger for even longer, raising even more questions. Suavet said, “The question is, when and how did the dynamo decay?” 12/20/2019 42

  43. Simple Solution to Moon’s Magnetic Puzzle月亮磁性拼图的简单解决方案 • “Creation physicist Russell Humphreys proposed a simple solution. First, the moon is only about 6,000 years old, appearing on Day 4 of Creation Week. Second, the magnetic field comes from electric currents circulating in the core, not a complicated dynamo. Third, these electric currents decay relatively quickly, which is why the moon’s field is so weak today. Finally, the magnetic field had not decayed much when the meteorite impacts formed the basalt ‘seas’ on the moon. This was at the same time as the global Flood on earth, only 1700 years after it formed.” • Occam’s razor demands that the moon is young. 12/20/2019 43

  44. Gloria Deo 愿荣耀归上帝 12/20/2019 44

  45. Sermons From Science -- Jan 2014科学布道-- 2014年1月 Sermons from Science is now published in both YouTube under the name “Pastor Chui” and also in PowerPoint slides in the website http://ChristCenterGospel.org. The contents of this presentation were taken from different sources and in the Internet. May God have all the glory. Pastor Chui http://ChristCenterGospel.org ckchui1@yahoo.com 12/20/2019 45

  46. Fossil Frog Still Looks Gooey 青蛙化石看起来还是黏的 • In the Creation 36(1) 2014 issue, there is an article on an interesting fossil frog. “A fossilized frog found in southwestern France in 1873 has long been thought to be merely a cast—albeit a finely detailed on showing ‘exceptionally well preserved external morphology’. However, thanks to modern imaging technologies, it turns out to have ‘exquisite preservation’ of its internal anatomical features as well. 12/20/2019 46

  47. Fossil Frog Still Looks Gooey 青蛙化石看起来还是黏的 • “National Geographic said the specimen ‘looks less like a fossil and more like the crispy remains of a modern frog left out in the sun too long’ and that it ‘still looks gooey after over 34 million years’. • “For those with eyes to see, the worldwide abundance of beautifully preserved fossils actually presents a very strong message against the millions-of-years paradigm.” • Praise God for the excellent reporting. 12/20/2019 47

  48. Gloria Deo 愿荣耀归上帝 12/20/2019 48

  49. Sermons From Science -- Jan 2014科学布道-- 2014年1月 Sermons from Science is now published in both YouTube under the name “Pastor Chui” and also in PowerPoint slides in the website http://ChristCenterGospel.org. The contents of this presentation were taken from different sources and in the Internet. May God have all the glory. Pastor Chui http://ChristCenterGospel.org ckchui1@yahoo.com 12/20/2019 49

  50. Children Put Self Before Others 孩子们把自己放在别人前 • In the Creation 36(1) 2014 issue, there is an article on child psychology. “One school of thought in academic psychology is that children are born inherently ‘good’—a notion directly at odds with what the Bible says, and with the everyday reality of parent’s experience! Now a psychological study has formally documented graphic self-centredness in very young children. When three-year-olds were given some stickers and asked how they should divide them with another child, they responded by saying that they and others should share equally. But their actual behavior was a different story: they kept most stickers for themselves! 12/20/2019 50

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