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Le droit comme ordonnancement social

Le droit comme ordonnancement social. January 10 th , 2011 Damian Marczuk David Seni Nardia Tonge. Agenda. Case Summaries. Law, Time and Change. Morality and Law. Law: Restrictor or Enabler?. Class Discussion. Agenda. Case Summaries. Law, Time and Change. Morality and Law.

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Le droit comme ordonnancement social

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  1. Le droit comme ordonnancement social January 10th, 2011 Damian Marczuk David Seni Nardia Tonge

  2. Agenda Case Summaries Law, Time and Change Morality and Law Law: Restrictor or Enabler? Class Discussion

  3. Agenda Case Summaries Law, Time and Change Morality and Law Law: Restrictor or Enabler? Class Discussion

  4. Case Summaries Because you have already read them… • Re: Drummond Wren (1945) • Re: Noble and Wolf (1948) • Judges and Injustice • Should Judges Resign? - A Reply to Professor Wacks • Judging Judges: A Brief Rejoiner to Professor Dugard

  5. Agenda Case Overview Law, Time and Change Morality and Law Law: Restrictor or Enabler? Class Discussion

  6. Law, Time and Change Law, within a society, constantly evolves and changes over time… … however, this change cannot occur too rapidly or sharply “Existing rules and principles can give us our present location, our bearings, our latitude and longitude. The inn that shelters for the night is not the journey’s end. The law, like the traveler, must be ready for the morrow. It must have a principle of growth.” Pg 2 Re: Drummond Wren

  7. Law, Time and Change Law can be used simultaneously as a tool to protect the elite and maintain the status quo … …and be used as a tool for reform and change

  8. Agenda Case Summaries Law, Time and Change Morality and Law Law: Restrictor or Enabler? Class Discussion

  9. Law and Morality

  10. Agenda Case Summaries Law, Time and Change Morality and Law Law: Restrictor or Enabler? Class Discussion

  11. Law: Restrictor or Enabler? Do the cases suggest that people can organize their society as they wish?

  12. Law: Restrictor or Enabler? Who is enabled and who is limited by law in South Africa? Is the situation the same today? What about elsewhere?

  13. Law: Restrictor or Enabler? • Law in S.A. is imposed on blacks by whites, used as a tool • Legitimacy? Blacks revolted several times… • Fight by blacks from the bottom and by whites from the top with judges in between • No real democracy, representatives not elected by majority • Dugard: Natural law: principles that transcend any legal system. But not very present in S.A. • Principles of “community morality” or “institutional history” are biased • Any attempt to have law emanating from majority would fail because of appeals / legislature • Revert to violence: Law unable to organize society effectively by itself?

  14. Agenda Case Summaries Law, Time and Change Morality and Law Law: Restrictor or Enabler? Class Discussion

  15. Class Discussion • De quelle manière les principes universelles de droit affectent le rôle des juges? Est-ce que le droit et la moralité sont plus étroitement liés? • Quelles sont les méthodes les plus efficaces pour changer un systeme de droit injuste et oppressif (apartheid de l’Afrique du Sud)? • Que pensez-vous de cette citation: ‘’judges are more to be trusted as interpreters of the law than as expounders of what is called public policy.’’

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