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ETF investing – practical considerations

ETF investing – practical considerations. CERN Finance Club – 2019-03-05, Marton Ady. Your invested money. Whole US stock market Adjusted for inflation Dividends reinvested. It’s impossible to lose on the long term. Except if you attempt to time the market (panic sell / greed buy)

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ETF investing – practical considerations

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  1. ETF investing –practical considerations CERN Finance Club – 2019-03-05, Marton Ady

  2. Your invested money • Whole US stock market • Adjusted for inflation • Dividends reinvested

  3. It’s impossible to lose on the long term • Except if you attempt to time the market (panic sell / greed buy) • Except if you pick individual stocks (one company can even fail -> 100% loss)

  4. Source: Mr Money Mustache, Early retirement blogger

  5. It’s all about the fees! 1% fee ate 28% of your profits! 711.000$ 541.000$ I invest 100.000$ at year 1 • Typical mutual fund: 1-2.5% fees • Typical ETF: 0.03-0.4% fees

  6. France: Switzerland: • First transaction of the month is always free (regardless of direction and amount) • Further transactions: min. 1000 EUR in same direction is also free

  7. At least 1000EUR/transaction • One direction in one month • Subject to change For most young investors these 3 are more than enough

  8. Degiro: advantages • Free / very cheap • Money available to withdraw quickly and for free • Rapid customer support Degiro: risks to consider • Execution only: no tax / investment advice • No large bank behind • Investments are protected up to 20.000 EUR • Documents (KIID, Factsheet) often missing or out of date • No PEA account Alternative: online banks 0.2% (min. 4EUR) / transaction

  9. Taxes • CERN salaries are tax-free, but… • Your investments (hopefully) provide you an income • Regardless of where you invest, or where you’re from, you currently live in France/Switzerland • You have to declare & pay taxes in the country where you live

  10. French taxes in general: by tranches“bareme progressif”

  11. Someone earning 157.000EUR does not pay 45% tax! Most of CERN

  12. Dividends • Most dividends have a 40% reduction (abattement) when calculating tax base • By default, 30% flat tax (PFU = prelevement forfataire unique) • 17.2% social contributions • 12.8% tax • You can ask for taxation by tranches (bareme progressif) • 17.2% social contributions • 0-45% based on your taxable income • (CERN salary is NOT a taxable income) • Your fund manager will often deduct taxes on his own! • US: 15% • Switzerland: 35% • Japan: 15.3% • If you owe more, you pay the difference, if not, hard to get back • Foreign brokers: you have to advance taxes (21%) to the French state! • Formulaire 2778-DIV • Except if taxable income is < 25.000 EUR

  13. Capital gains • 17.2% social contributions • 0-45% based on your taxable income • Losses in the previous 10 years can cancel your gains tax amount

  14. Distributing/accumulating ETFs Share / bond Dividend / coupon Share / bond Dividend / coupon Share / bond Dividend / coupon Distributing ETF Share / bond Dividend / coupon Paid out ETF value ETF income Reinvested: accumulating ETF

  15. Which to choose?

  16. French “tax-free” account • PEA = Plan d’Epargne d’actions • One per person, you must live in France, max 150.000 EUR* • Once open, it is OK to leave abroad (stays open) • Nearly all French banks offer it (not Degiro, “it’s coming soon”) • You can invest in European* companies (PEA eligible shares, ETFs) • You can’t transfer existing shares/ETFs (transfer money then buy)

  17. Invest in the US with PEA? “PEA eligible if invests in at least 85% European companies” Fund size: 17M EUR (liquidity risk) Annual fee: 0.15% French companies Bank (Societe Generale) US market ETF Issuer (Lyxor) Swap contract Airbus S&P 500 PEA USA ETF Swap contract PSA Swap contract Veolia A swap is a derivative contract through which two parties exchange the cash flows or liabilities from two different financial instruments. Most swaps involve cash flows based on a notional principal amount such as a loan or bond. Usually, the principal does not change hands. 

  18. So how do I declare my taxes? • 2019: tax reform “prelevement a la source” • Tax declaration form available from April only • Info for 2018: http://culturefinanciere.com/declarer-les-gains-dun-compte-titres-ouvert-a-letranger/

  19. Example from the blog:

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