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Wednesday Summary of Working Group I

Initial questions I:. Wednesday Summary of Working Group I. LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso. Oliver Brüning 1. Initial questions II:. Wednesday Summary of Working Group I. LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso. Oliver Brüning 2. main points from Tanaji Sen’s presentation I:.

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Wednesday Summary of Working Group I

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  1. Initial questions I: Wednesday Summary of Working Group I LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso Oliver Brüning 1

  2. Initial questions II: Wednesday Summary of Working Group I LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso Oliver Brüning 2

  3. main points from Tanaji Sen’s presentation I: Wednesday Summary of Working Group I -peak power deposition inside the triplet magnets is a factor 3 to 4 above the quench limit of the triplet magnets  any IR upgrade scenario requires an upgrade of the TAS absorber  TAS length and material? -peak power deposition inside the triplet magnets leaves a safety factor 4 for the quench limit (including 3mm orbit errors) for nominal operation  how does the peak power deposition inside the triplet magnets scale with the orbit tolerances and how much can we increase the safety factor for the peak power deposition wih reduced tolerances on the closed orbit errors? LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso Oliver Brüning 3

  4. main points from Tanaji Sen’s presentation II: Wednesday Summary of Working Group I -two options for dealing with the increased heat load inside the triplet magnets: 1) construct more robust triplet magnets that can tolerate the increased peak heat load: how does the quench limit of different super conducting materials vary and are there SC materials that provide higher tolerances on the peak power deposition inside the magnets? LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso Oliver Brüning 4

  5. main points from Tanaji Sen’s presentation III: Wednesday Summary of Working Group I -two options for dealing with the increased heat load inside the triplet magnets: 2) reduce the peak heat load with an upgrade of the TAS absorber: how does the peak power deposition scale with the magnetic field strength and aperture of the magnets? magnetic TAS: requires integrated field of 10 Tm <-> 20 Tm LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso Oliver Brüning 5

  6. main points from Tanaji Sen’s presentation IV: Wednesday Summary of Working Group I -peak power deposition inside the triplet magnets depends on the material of the vacuum chamber -peak power deposition inside the triplet magnets depends on the orbit tolerances  scaling? LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso Oliver Brüning 6

  7. Inner Triplet - baseline Azimuthally averaged power density isocontours (mW/g) in the inner triplet of IR5

  8. Peak power density - baseline Peak power density in the first 2 radial bins for the baseline beam tube in Q1 and an alternative thinner tube.

  9. main points from Peter McIntyres’s presentation I: Wednesday Summary of Working Group I -power density deposited inside the triplet magnets reduces with L* if the triplet aperture is kept constant  move triplet magnets closer to the IP (scaling of losses with magnet field?) -power deposition inside the triplet magnets increases with L* with one assumes the magnet diameter is proportional to L*  move the triplet magnets further away from the IP -discussion showed that it is still a good idea to reduce L* but assumption of constant aperture must be revised LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso Oliver Brüning 9

  10. main points from Fabrizio Palla’s presentation I: Wednesday Summary of Working Group I -CMS detector might offer potential magnet locations for L* = 14 m with radial space of +/- 0.5 m (currently occupied by TOTEM and CASTOR) -ECAL installation is region of high radiation (L* = 3 m) -evaluate pro & con of a fixed installation (compatibility with access and vacuum bake out) and a movable installation (tolerances for magnet and detector movements) LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso Oliver Brüning 10

  11. Muon chambers Need better shielding of YE/4 (likely to be done before SLHC proper) Need better shielding for ME/1

  12. main points from Fabrizio Palla’s presentation II: Wednesday Summary of Working Group I -the situation for ATLAS is not as obvious (active area of the detector extends beyond TAS absorber)  we might have to look for different IR layout solutions for the two main experiments -the time required for an upgrade shut down must be balanced against a gain in integrated luminotisy  see the talk by Michael Bieler LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso Oliver Brüning 12

  13. main points from Michael Bieler’s presentation I: Wednesday Summary of Working Group I • -HERA luminosity upgrade features 6 new superconducting • magnets inside the detectors (2m and 3.7m long) • -main problems related to the new installation: • water condenses on the cold magnets and drips into the • detector • magnets are supported by steel cables and move by up • to 1mm during the ramp • BPMs in the IR regions were initially exposed to • synchtoron radiation LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso Oliver Brüning 13

  14. main points from Michael Bieler’s presentation II: Wednesday Summary of Working Group I • -commissioning time for the HERA luminosity upgrade • of 1.5 years to 2 years •  the LHC IR upgrade must be robust in order to allow • a fast commissioning time! LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso Oliver Brüning 14

  15. ZEUS Detektor Zentrale Driftkammer CTD Mikrovertex-Detektor Solenoid Magnet p e Rückwärts-Kalorimeter Vorwärts-Kalorimeter Zentrales-Kalorimeter

  16. summary: Wednesday Summary of Working Group I -not all questions could be answered but interests and worries have been communicated to all parties involved -many new questions -interest in scaling laws and concrete layout models for comparative studies -reduced L* is not excluded from the experiment (CMS) point of view -complicated IR designs that might imply a long commissioning time! LHC LUMI 2005; 1.9.2005; Arcidosso Oliver Brüning 16

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