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IEEE 802.18 RR-TAG Teleconference Agenda

This agenda outlines the topics to be discussed during the IEEE 802.18 RR-TAG teleconference. It includes administrative items, updates from various regulatory bodies, and general discussion items. Attendance and participation guidelines are also provided.

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IEEE 802.18 RR-TAG Teleconference Agenda

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  1. IEEE 802.18 RR-TAGTeleconference Agenda • Date: 31 January 19 Authors: Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  2. Call to Order / Administrative Items • Officers for the RR-TAG / IEEE 802.18: • Chair is Jay Holcomb (Itron) • Vice-chair, looking for someone • Secretary, looking for someone • Voters: 41 (9 on EC); Nearly Voters: 2; Aspirant members: 14 (11jan19) • A quorum is met since this meeting was announced more then 45 days ago. • IEEE 802 Required notices: • Affiliation FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html • > Be sure to announce you name, affiliation, employer and clients the first time you speak. • Anti-Trust FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf • Ethics - https://www.ieee.org/about/corporate/governance/p7-8.html • IEEE 802 WG Policies and Procedures - http://www.ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml • The 4 administration slides, reminder from your WG opening plenary  new 02jan18 • (note: call for essential patents is n/a, as the RR-TAG does not do standards) Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  3. Jay Holcomb (Itron) Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings • All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. • Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. • Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. • Relative costs of different technical approaches that include relative costs of patent licensing terms may be discussed in standards development meetings. • Technical considerations remain the primary focus • Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. • Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. • Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. --------------------------------------------------------------- For more details, see IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and Antitrust and Competition Policy: What You Need to Know at http://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/antitrust.pdf

  4. Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings • Participation in any IEEE 802 meeting (Sponsor, Sponsor subgroup, Working Group, Working Group subgroup, etc.) is on an individual basis • Participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience. (https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1) • IEEE 802 Working Group membership is by individual; “Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion as individuals, and not as organizational representatives”. (subclause 4.2.1 “Establishment”, of the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures) • Participants have an obligation to act and vote as an individual and not under the direction of any other individual or group. A Participant’s obligation to act and vote as an individual applies in all cases, regardless of any external commitments, agreements, contracts, or orders. • Participants shall not direct the actions or votes of any other member of an IEEE 802 Working Group or retaliate against any other member for their actions or votes within IEEE 802 Working Group meetings, see https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1.3 and the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures, subclause 3.4.1 “Chair”, list item x. • By participating in IEEE 802 meetings, you accept these requirements. If you do not agree to these policies then you shall not participate. (and please leave the call or meeting.) Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  5. Agenda for teleconference • Discussion items, few more details: • EU Items • General items, ETSI, CEPT, etc. • U.S. DoT Releases Request for Comment (RFC) on Vehicle-to-Everything (V2X) Communications • Comments due 25 Jan >> 24 Feb. • ACMA consultation for 5G and 60GHz band. • Comments due 22 Feb • General discussion items: • Japan MIC consultation at 5GHz • Call to Order • Attendance server is open • Administrative items • Need a recording secretary, _______ • Approve agenda & last minutes • looking for an 802.18 Vice-Chair. • Discussion items • EU Items • U.S. DoT RFC on V2X Communications • ACMA consultation 5G & 60GHz band • General Discussion Items • Actions required • Comment input for DoT and ACMA. • And anything new today • AOB and Adjourn Jay Holcomb (Itron) Agenda

  6. Administrative – Motions and more • RR-TAG is in need of a vice-chair and secretary, is there anyone that can help? ________ • Motion: To approve the agenda as presented on previous slide • Moved by: Stuart Kerry • Seconded by: Mike Lynch • Discussion? • Vote: Unanimous consent • Motion: To approve the minutes from the IEEE 802.18 teleconference 10 January 2018 in document: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/19/18-19-0004-00-0000-minutes-10jan19-rr-tag-teleconference.docxPosted: 11-Jan-2019 12:28:36 ET • Moved by: • Seconded by: • Discussion? • Vote: Unanimous consent Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  7. Administrative – Motions and more • Motion: To approve the minutes from the IEEE 802.18 ad hoc teleconference 28 January 2018 in document: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/19/18-19-0011-00-0000-minutes-ad-hoc-28-jan-2019-rr-tag.docx Posted: 30-Jan-2019 12:55:38 ET • Moved by: • Seconded by: • Discussion? • Vote: Unanimous consent • Does anyone have an interest in being the 802.18 Vice-Chair? • Needs to be a member of the IEEE and also the SA, needs a declaration of term commitment and affiliation letters to the EC. of term commitment Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  8. EU items to share -1 • General EU news?<ojeu><HStds> • Nothing reported this week. • ETSI – <BRAN>next meeting #100 - 17-20 Dec. 2018, Sophia Antipolis • Call: 29 Jan: Paused COT in EN 301 893 • Call: 30 Jan: RX Req. in EN 301 893 • Call: 01 Feb: 5.8 GHz in EN 301 893 • ETSI - ERM - <TG-11>next meeting # 55 - 08-11 Apr 2019, Sophia Antipolis • Nothing reported this week. • ETSI – ERM - <TG-UWB>next call # 47-bis – 01 Feb 2019 • Nothing reported this week. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  9. EU items to share -2 • CEPT – ECC <SE45>f2f #7 in ECO, Copenhagen, 24 - 25 April 2019 • Public consultation on report is out, due 10 April. • CEPT – ECC <FM57>web meetings 28 Jan., 11 Feb. 2019; #5 - 26 Apr 19 • 28 Jan: RLAN/FS study with inputs from Germany, Chairman and multi-company. Will use Germany’s input as the base. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  10. U.S. DoT Releases RFC on V2X Communications -1 of 2 • https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/us-department-transportation-releases-request-comment-rfc-vehicle-everything-v2x • The RFC can be found at www.transportation.gov/v2x • Or in Mentor: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0166-00-0000-usdot-v2x-communciations-request-for-comments.docx • Comments: • https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2018-0210-0001 • SUMMARY: Over the past several years, the Department of Transportation and its operating administrations have engaged in numerous activities related to connected vehicles, including vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V), vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I), and vehicle-to-pedestrian (V2P) communications, collectively referred to as “V2X” communications. Recently, there have been developments in core aspects of the communication technologies that could be associated with V2X. This notice requests comment on how these developments impact both V2X in general and the Department’s role in encouraging the integration of V2X. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  11. U.S. DoT Releases RFC on V2X Communications -2 of 2 • DATES: You should submit your comments within 30 days after the date of publication in the Federal Register • Was published in the Federal Register on 26 Dec, add 30 days: • Comments due 25 Jan 19. Unofficial extension to 24 Feb 19. • https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/12/26/2018-27785/notice-of-request-for-comments-v2x-communications?utm_campaign=subscription%20mailing%20list&utm_source=federalregister.gov&utm_medium=email • https://www.transportation.gov/v2x • There are several comments filed already and nothing obviously new on the site for an extension. • There are 9 basic questions • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/19/18-19-0008-00-0000-usdot-v2x-communciations-rfc-ieee-802-comments.docx • To meet 24 Feb 19, need to approve by teleconference on 14 Feb 19. • We have 2 teleconferences to finish, 07 Feb and 14 Feb. • Do we need more Ad Hoc s, 05 Feb and 11, 12 or 13 Feb.? Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  12. U.S. DoT RFC on V2X Ad Hoc -1 of 2 • A main point can be discerned from the questions, who owns/operates V2X over time? • For example, what about the meta data considering security and privacy (and ownership) of this meta data? And how is it dependent on who is gathering and using it? • Private or government, and then what is the data used for overall? • This point goes beyond the 9 questions, summarized to 2 sub-points: • A - How will the meta data be dealt with over time? • B - Ownership of the infrastructure and how will that all work? • IEEE 802 is concerned with more than just the radios. • DoT may not know what else should be considered with today’s changing environment, beyond the current direction they have been heading. • Is there a question on who owns/operates the roadside infrastructure over time? (Related to above.) • Though could DoT purchase this infrastructure as an option no matter what or who’s technology is? • If a new technology does comes into play, then where does the telcom operator come in? Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  13. U.S. DoT RFC on V2X Ad Hoc -2 of 2 • For IEEE 802 response, the 11p to 11bd migration is important to bring the DoT up to date on this evolution. Q#2 is a prime question for this. • We can bring some in from the 5GAA waiver also. • Running through the 9 questions. • #0 – The beyond the 9 questions, and have an owner for this • #1 – assigned • #2 – assigned • #3 – We should answer, some overlap with #2, will wait till #2 is done • #4 – This is prime for 11bd • #5 – How is .11p and .11bd viewed? • Some qualification will be needed on how the question is interpreted. • #6 - Maybe easier to answer • #7 - This is very related to #0 • #8 - Maybe easier to answer, but keep high level. • #9 - Not a clear question. Need to restate interoperability is needed • Some of the questions may end up not answered we will see. • May have further input Thursday on questions to focus on. • As brought up before, we could consider input from the 802.11 co-ex standing committee. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  14. U.S. DoT RFC on V2X Comments - Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  15. Motion – DoT RFC on V2X • Motion:Move to approve the comments in https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/19/18-19-0008-00-0000-usdot-v2x-communciations-rfc-ieee-802-comments.docxto U.S. DoT’s request for comments (Docket No. DOT-OST-2018-0210) on V2X. With the chair of 802.18 to have editorial privileges and send to the EC for review/approval and submission to the FCC on or before 25 January 24 February 2019. • Moved by: • Seconded by: • Discussion? none • Vote: ___Y / ___N / ___A • On hold for now Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  16. EC Draft Law on Vehicle Communications • For reference: • Communication standards for connected and autonomous vehicles; • Feedback due 08 Feb. • https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/initiatives/ares-2017-2592333_en#isc-2018-08207 • Is there anything in this we could use in DoT comments? Yes Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  17. ACMA - Proposed updates to class licensing arrangements supporting 5G and other technology innovations -1 of 2 • [1] The proposed variation considers updating and expending 60 GHz arrangements (57-66 GHz) for data communication systems, including 5G. Specifically: • adding 66-71 GHz frequency band • updating existing arrangement in 57-66 GHz regarding indoor and outdoor data communication systems. • For more details see IFC 45/2018 Class licensing updates: Supporting 5G and other technology innovations  (18 December 2018, closes 22 February 2019). • The three documents are on Mentor: • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0163-00-0000-consultation-paper-proposed-updates-to-class-licensing-arrangements-supporting-5g-and-other-technology-innovations.docx • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0164-00-0000-draft-radiocommunications-low-interference-potential-devices-class-licence-variation-2019-no-1.docx • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0165-00-0000-notice-under-subsection-136-radiocommunications-act-1992-proposed-variation-of-lipd-class-licence-2015.docx Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  18. ACMA - Proposed updates to class licensing arrangements supporting 5G and other technology innovations -2 of 2 • Additional from what was sent to 802.18 list server: • [2] adding new arrangements for "All transmitters" in the 57-64 GHz band. • [3] revising arrangements for underground transmitters in certain bands supporting fixed and mobile services between 70-520 MHz. • [4] adding support for higher power radiodetermination transmitters i.e. radars operating in the 76-77 GHz frequency band [5] adding support for ground and wall penetration radar as adjunct to current apparatus licence arrangements (30-12400 MHz) [6] aligning existing arrangements for ultra-wideband devices with US and European arrangements for generic (indoor and hand-held) devices (3100-3400 MHz and 8500-9000 MHz) and aircraft applications (6000-8500 MHz). • And further inputs from members: • Proposed UWB rules look to be positive. • Supporting the mmWave band expansion, considering both 802.11 and 802.15.3 systems are being implemented and deployed which the expanded 60 GHz band. • May also want to look at [2] above to see if there are any negative impacts on the 802.11 and 802.15.3 mmWave based systems. • Some members are working on comments. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  19. Motion – ACMA Consultation • To meet 22 Feb 19, need to approve by teleconference on 14 Feb 19. • We have 2 teleconferences to finish, 07 Feb and 14 Feb. • Do we need more Ad Hoc s, 05 Feb and 11, 12 or 13 Feb.? • Motion:Move to approve the comments in https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/19/18-_____-00_____-00-0000-_________c-ieee-802-comments.docxto IFC 45/2018 Class licensing updates . With the chair of 802.18 to have editorial privileges and send to the EC for review/approval and submission to the FCC on or before 21 February2019. • Moved by: • Seconded by: • Discussion? none • Vote: ___Y / ___N / ___A • On hold for now. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  20. General Discussion Items • Japan MIC has recently started a consultation on its report related to the high efficiency wireless LAN, including the possibility of opening channel 144 for unlicensed operation. • For details, please refer to: http://www.soumu.go.jp/menu_news/s-news/02kiban12_04000238.html • The comment submission deadline is February 21, 2019. • The major changes proposed other than adding channel 144 are as follows: • The occupancy channel widths will be broadened to support 802.11ax's 20/40/80/160/80+80 MHz channel systems in 5 GHz and 40 MHz channel system in 2.4 GHz. • The 4 ms second rule in 5 GHz band will be extended to 8 ms. • The 5.3 GHz DFS test is revised.  Note: There is a possibility of relaxing the radar patterns described in the report. • It is planned to take effect this summer. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  21. Actions Required • Send in comment text on DOT’s Request For Comments on V2X to the chair. (Best by Wednesday night.) • Send in comment text on ACMA’s Consultation (Best by Wednesday night.) • Info: • Latest Cisco VNI 2018-2022 networking trends: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/visual-networking-index-vni/white-paper-c11-741490.pdf Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  22. Any Other Business Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  23. Adjourn • Next teleconference: 07 Feb 2019 – 15:00 – <15:55 ET • Call in info: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/16/18-16-0038-11-0000-teleconference-call-in-info.pptx(or latest) • Note: If the call-in link doesn’t work send the Chair an email right away. • All changes/cancellations will be sent out to the 802.18 list server. • Adjourn: • Agenda complete, any objection to Adjourn. • None heard, we are Adjourned at 15:___ ET • The next face to face meeting of the 802.18 RR-TAG will be at the IEEE 802 11-15 March 19 the Plenary in the Hyatt Regency Vancouver and Fairmont Hotel Vancouver, Vancouver, BC, Canada • Time slots, Tuesday AM2 and Thursday AM1 • Thank You Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  24. Jay Holcomb (Itron) Thank You • Reference, links to EU sites: • Bran: https://portal.etsi.org/tb.aspx?tbid=287&SubTB=287 • ERM TG-11: https://portal.etsi.org/tb.aspx?tbid=442&SubTB=442 • CEPT SE45: https://cept.org/ecc/groups/ecc/wg-se/se-45/client/introduction/ • CEPT FM57: https://cept.org/ecc/groups/ecc/wg-fm/fm-57/client/introduction/ • OJEU: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/oj/direct-access.html • HS: https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/ Back up and/or previous slides follow

  25. 5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X - reference • 2 • Thinking potential comments, any specific points we should consider? • There are 20 comments from phase 1 testing; most say to not divide the spectrum, where the waiver is asking for a division. • Is this a waiver or petition to start a rule making? • Some are questioning this approach. • Where it asks incumbents like DSRC to vacate this band is not a (normal) waiver. • Could it be followed by a more aggressive waiver request with further disruptions? • 802.11 – WiFi access to the band. • Disruptive to both approaches, detect and vacate and re-channelization. • Also would hinder other V-C2X technologies that are being development. • TG 802.11bd, is relevant to this and has Pros on sharing in the band better than C-V2X. (They are not meeting between now 11 Jan.) • James Lepp has a document with 4 main parts/areas moving forward, • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/18/11-18-1945-01-0ngv-work-breakdown-for-p802-11bd.pptx • Why can’t the experimental license accomplish their need? • No input from anyone to comment on this, so will hold for now. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  26. 5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X -1 of 2 • https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/11212224101742/5GAA%20Petition%20for%20Waiver%20-%20Final%2011.21.2018.pdf • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0152-01-0000-5gaa-waiver-to-allow-its-cellular-vehicle-to-everything-c-v2x.docx (link added in Annex D) • The Current Rules Prohibit Use of C-V2X in the 5.9 GHz Band • C-V2X Offers Capabilities Today that are Superior to Those of Other Technologies – Enabling Safety and Other Benefits • C-V2X is a Modern, Standards-Based Technology Designed to Meet Today’s Transportation Challenges as Well as the Evolving Demands of Tomorrow’s 5G Connected Transportation Ecosystem • C-V2X Offers Capabilities Today that are Superior to Those of Other Technologies – Enabling Safety and Other Benefits • C-V2X’s Evolutionary Path to 5G and Subsequent Wireless Generations Will Help to Amplify and Expand Upon the Safety and Other Benefits Enabled by C-V2X Services • C-V2X’s Unique Cost Efficiency Supports an Accelerated Timeline for Deployment • The Commission Should Grant a Waiver of Its Rules to Expedite the Deployment of C-V2X Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  27. 5GAA Waiver to Allow ITS C-V2X -2 of 3 • From last week: • Look at footnotes of 47&48, why this is a wavier, not cont. as exp. license or a rule making. • There is a test report from 5GAA, and their summary is they are doing better than DSRC. • Annex D has the their test results (link added in 18-18/0152r01) • Appendix C has summary of most all tests that are going on. • Appendix D, these should be they rules for the wavier; e.g. 5925-5975 for C-V2X only. • In the long term there is no sharing. • Seems DOT has a connection in some of these test sites. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  28. Presidential Memorandum on Developing a Sustainable Spectrum Strategy for America's Future -1 of 2 • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0134-00-0000-developing-a-sustainable-spectrum-strategy-for-america-s-future.docx • A couple of highlights: • In the growing digital economy, wireless technologies expand opportunities to increase economic output of rural communities and connect them with urban markets, and offer safety benefits that save lives, prevent injuries, and reduce the cost of transportation incidents.  • Moreover, it is imperative that America be first in fifth-generation (5G) wireless technologies -- wireless technologies capable of meeting the high-capacity, low-latency, and high-speed requirements that can unleash innovation broadly across diverse sectors of the economy and the public sector.  • … create flexible models for spectrum management, including standards, incentives, and enforcement mechanisms that promote efficient and effective spectrum use, including flexible-use spectrum licenses, while accounting for critical safety and security concerns; • There are more. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  29. Presidential Memorandum on Developing a Sustainable Spectrum Strategy for America's Future -2 of 2 • How can we support this policy? • From plenary: Members were not seeing it from 802.18, though asked to review later. • Also, maybe the EC could do a Press Release on some of the topics. • Here is a start of a response leveraging from IEEE SA Spectrum Statement. • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0147-00-0000-ieee-802-draft-press-release-supporting-us-spectrum-strategy.docx • 802.18 discussed in some depth and still not seeing anything from 802.18. • This is not like a public comment solicitation that .18 would normally respond to. • Question asked, what value will we add to the process, as we are not part of the executive branches being asked for input? We agree there is a critical need. • This is something we should keep our eyes on. May not have immediate impact, but could go off the rail some time. • It does have some connection to the IEEE SA position statement they just released on unlicensed spectrum allocation and management. Should a response come from IEEE SA or even IEEE USA? • This could be an opportunity for us to remind people that we need a balance between license and unlicensed spectrum allocation. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  30. General Discussion Items -4 • Sharing and license-exempt • A study on feasibility and next steps toward a Next Generation Spectrum Management (NGSM). • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/18/11-18-1386-00-0wng-ngsm-next-generation-spectrum-management.pptx • 802.11 San Diego WGN proposal on Future of Unlicensed Spectrum • https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0155-00-00EC-push-to-bi-directional-spectrum-sharing.pptx • A perspective on regardless of everything we do to develop new, better, faster wireless technologies, the available spectrum has a hard limit • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0060-02-0000-a-future-for-unlicensed-spectrum.pptx • Bi-directional sharing • https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0155-00-00EC-push-to-bi-directional-spectrum-sharing.pptx • This came up in the IEEE 802 LeaderCon session in July and the 802.18 chair along with others have an action item to look at this more. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  31. General Discussion Items -4a of 6 • Phase I testing of prototype U-NII-4 devices-1 of 3 • The Commission’s Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) is requesting comment on the report for Phase I of tests performed to evaluate potential sharing solutions between the proposed Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure (U-NII) devices and Dedicated Short Range Communications (DSRC) operations in the 5850-5925 MHz (U-NII-4) frequency band. The attached report provides a detailed summary of the testing methodology, measurements, and observations. • Request for comments: • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0140-00-0000-phase-i-testing-of-prototype-u-nii-4-devices.docx • Report: • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/18/18-18-0141-00-0000-phase-i-testing-of-prototype-u-nii-4-devices-report.pdf • Proceeding: • https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/filings?proceedings_name=13-49&sort=date_disseminated,DESC • https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-requests-comment-59-ghz-phase-i-testing-data • Comment Date: 28 November 2018 • EC vote 16nov, or do reply comments. • Reply Comments Date: 13 December 2018 Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  32. General Discussion Items -4b of 6 • Phase I testing of prototype U-NII-4 devices-2 of 3 • As summarized in the report, we found the prototype devices reliably detected DSRC signals. The report includes the results of the evaluation of the Wi-Fi sharing techniques since one of the proposed band sharing methods would require re-channelization of the DSRC spectrum. In brief, the test results show that the prototype U-NII-4 devices were able to detect a co-channel DSRC signal and implement post detection steps as claimed by the submitters. • Knowing history, can we get agreement on points to comment on? • What would they be? • Detect and vacate mentioned above, is not covering if there is any harmful interference. • Mitigation seems to still be open. • DOT will be the judge on safety of transportation. They get the say what is needed. The report is just a testing report, and not on the safety of transportation. • O’Reily’s comment does not consider there is CV2X, C-V2X, …. …. coming along now, that is being discussed elsewhere. • In the end for those on the earlier call, not looking like there is interest for IEEE 802 to comment. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  33. General Discussion Items -4c of 6 • Phase I testing of prototype U-NII-4 devices-3 of 3 • Statement of commissioner Michael O’Rielly on 5.9 GHz phase I testing data • DOC-354831A1.docxDOC-354831A1.pdfDOC-354831A1.txt • While I appreciate release of the 5.9 GHz Phase I testing data, the results are not all that surprising given the simple questions posed. The reality is that the entire debate has gravitated away from the type of sharing regime envisioned in the testing.  Instead, the Commission should move past this and initiate a rulemaking to reallocate at least 45 megahertz of the band, which is completely unused today for automobile safety • Commissioner Rosenworcel on phase I test report of prototype U-N-II-4 devices. • DOC-354830A1.docxDOC-354830A1.pdfDOC-354830A1.txt • “Nearly two years after the deadline for completing a three-phase test plan to determine whether auto safety and Wi-Fi can share the 5.9 GHz band, this agency is releasing the results of its lab testing. These results are long overdue. But we need to do more than just make our work public. We need to start a rulemaking to take a fresh look at this band and its real possibilities.” Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  34. Potential reference document when doing comments • Note: in the 802.19 co-existence <1 GHz meeting it was brought up for IEEE 802 as a whole to put together a document on basic spectrum parameters that would be good for all IEEE 802 standards to co-exist (less interference….) • Actually, need to have this for all IEEE 802 to just work in the spectrum, e.g. BWs needed. Not just coexistence. • Point being that 802.18 can refer to / use when responding to regulators on different consultations, to encourage regulators in general to configure their spectrum to allow all the IEEE 802 standards in a more consistent/friendly way. • For the many in attendance, it was felt many regulators would appreciate at least knowing this. • Additional point to add to the doc, duty cycle is not for the protocol/standard/amendment being discussed, it is a regulation to allow others (and their packet lengths) to have access to the spectrum. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

  35. Fellowship Request • Fellowship request on reaching out to all regulators. • Enhancing Collaboration between IEEE 802 and World Regulators on unlicensed spectrum regulations • https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/18/11-18-0580-01-coex-enhancing-collaboration-between-ieee-802-and-world-regulators-on-unlicensed-spectrum-regulations.pptx • Thursday: • A start is to keep in touch with the fellowship attendees. • They are welcome to our meetings and calls. • Could something be added to the IEEE newsletter/communication for the regulators, to answer the news letter input? • Can IEEE be more pro-active with some of the other (e.g. regional) regulators? • The challenge is to ID which we can, and being a volunteer / individual organization, the time and money from the volunteers? • Many regulators don’t have IEEE has a point of contact like they do with WFA or other implementing orgs do. Jay Holcomb (Itron)

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