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SERENATE Final Session Structure

SERENATE Final Session Structure. Chair: Ian Butterworth. Overall. General Discussion (14.00-14.45) Give people a chance to pass to everyone here what they regard as key messages for the SERENATE project Plans for follow-up actions (14.45-14.55) Coming workshops

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SERENATE Final Session Structure

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  1. SERENATEFinal Session Structure Chair: Ian Butterworth

  2. Overall • General Discussion (14.00-14.45) • Give people a chance to pass to everyone here what they regard as key messages for the SERENATE project • Plans for follow-up actions (14.45-14.55) • Coming workshops • Are there any issues which specific people (or one or more NRENs) would agree to address and write up? • Web site discussion groups?? • Summary of the outcome (14.55-15.30) • Very personal review • Chance for comments

  3. General Discussion • General Discussion • Give people a chance to pass to everyone here what they regard as key messages for the SERENATE project

  4. Plans for follow-up actions • Coming workshops • Operators’ views on infrastructure status and evolution (8 Nov 2002, Amsterdam) • Research user needs and priorities (17-19 Jan 2003, Montpellier) • Possible models for the future (4-5 Feb 2003, Noordwijkerhout??) • Final workshop (~May-June 2003) • Work packages • Not just a talking shop • Are there any issues which specific people (or one or more NRENs) would agree to address and write up? • Case studies on “new” communities • Pros (& cons?) of NRENs per se

  5. Summary of the outcome • Clearly very personal impressions • Personal thanks to the speakers, and to the participants • I feel the need to go away and read the mass of information that we have been presented with, and try to digest it • Will put all presentations onto the SERENATE Web site as soon as possible

  6. STRONG GENERAL IMPRESSIONS

  7. From hardware to services • Networking is (still) evolving FAST • And going more into the mainline of ICT • It’s not so much just getting “hardware connectivity” to the researcher’s desk, but it’s increasingly about delivering a set of services needed by researchers (and others) Information access, collaborative tools, “disciplinary grids” are what the user wants. AAA and Web/Grid services will be part of the delivery mechanism

  8. NRENs as a resource • Lots of expertise • Growing understanding by government of the importance of ICT as a driver for economic prosperity • Growing understanding by government of the value of their NREN expertise • Increasing requests to capitalise on that expertise

  9. Europe (subsidiarity etc.) • What should SERENATE try to generate • Recommendations? • Guidelines? • Basically we all have to try to work by persuasion

  10. PER BREAK-OUT GROUP

  11. Technology • We certainly need to try to find a coherent approach to the “steadily increasing amplitude” of optical networking • I retained that it’s going to take some time • But it seems a powerful wave • What do we mean by a “hybrid solution”? • Interaction with “ubiquity” is important • I guess that we need a model where communities with special needs (de Laat Type C) can inject appropriate funds into a common (hybrid) infrastructure

  12. Economics • Study on regulation • Study on costs • We do need a clear understanding of any regulatory barriers that we could face in deploying pan-European fibre • I personally guess that it does not matter whether you actually own fibre, or merely lease it on a long-term basis, or maybe even lease wavelengths. We should try to quantify this.

  13. Geography • Obviously needs interaction with the politicians • But we had better have our ideas rather clear first • It seems to me that there may be a conflict between two fundamental European concepts:- • the “ERA view” – offer equality of research opportunities across the continent • “subsidiarity” – the EU only helps with funding at the pan-European level, not nationally or on the campus • In FP5 we “integrated” the present accession countries into GÉANT. I don’t see any similar target as part of FP6.

  14. “New” user communities • I found the discussion very interesting • Hard to see what the recommendations might be – situation is very different in each country • Compendium should develop a set of questions around this • And we should think about whether “eEurope” style benchmarks could be a useful output of SERENATE • Schools • Libraries • Research hospitals • Healthcare • Etc

  15. Research User Needs • ??? • As much as they can get (and their govts can afford) • AAA • Working grids • Ability to inject funds for Type C (few to few) connections as part of the common infrastructure

  16. The need for NRENs • Extreme economic liberals sometimes wonder why we need NRENs • They see them as some sort of competition for ISPs • If I ever needed convincing that this is a false argument then this meeting convinced me. • I would like the argument written up well

  17. The need for politics and funding • We probably are going to have to make sure that we keep a dialogue with the politicians • Both MEPs and national ones • And with our funding agencies

  18. Reactions and Discussions • I surely forgot something? • And got something the wrong way around

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