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IEEE 802.11 TGv November Agenda

IEEE 802.11 TGv November Agenda. Authors:. Date: 2008-11-13. Abstract. This presentation contains the IEEE 802.11 TGv agenda and motions for November 2008. TGv – November 2008. Call Meeting to Order

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IEEE 802.11 TGv November Agenda

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  1. IEEE 802.11 TGv November Agenda Authors: Date: 2008-11-13 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  2. Abstract This presentation contains the IEEE 802.11 TGv agenda and motions for November 2008. Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  3. TGv – November 2008 • Call Meeting to Order • Policies and Procedures, Attendance reminder, see https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/file/08/11-08-0058-00-0000-opening-network-information-attendance-and-documentation-for-january-2008-session.ppt • **IEEE Patent Policy http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt • Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard? Minute any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. • ***Affiliation FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html • Anti-Trust FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf • Ethics - http://www.ieee.org/portal/cms_docs/about/CoE_poster.pdf • IEEE 802.11 Policies and Procedures - http://www.ieee802.org/11/DocFiles/06/11-06-0812-03-0000-802-11-policies-and-proceedures.htm • IEEE 802 Policies and Procedures - http://www.ieee802.org/policies-and-procedures.pdf ** Read slide deck *** Note especially items #7 & #11 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  4. Wednesday AM 1 Load shifting – Darwin Motion - 1282-02 08-1327-02 - Qi 08-1378 TGv Agenda • Monday PM2 • Call to Order, IP info & query, Approve Agenda • Chair’s Welcome, Status, Review of Objectives • Motions – Waikoloa & telecon minutes • Event 08-1262-01, 08-1309 • Collocated interference -08-1010-03 • Tuesday Evening • Timing Measurement • Event – 08-1262-02 • Monday Evening • Timing Measurement • General CIDs 1239, 1257 – 08-1327 • Motions: 1197-04 • Weds PM 1 • 08-1321, 1322 • Mgt Frame priority – CID 251, 08-1354 • Motion – 1327-02, 1371-00, 1391 • Tuesday AM2 • 08-1232 comments – 08-1284-00, 1013-06, 1282-00 • Motion: 08-1284-00 • Thursday PM2 • Annex Q Update – Joe, 08-1396 • Motions • Plans for January, Adjourn • Tuesday PM2 • AP Collaboration Comment group 1274, 08-419-03, 08-1059-01 • Diagnostics -08-1283-01 • Motions – 1013-07, Proxy ARP, CID 73 Attendance reminder: http://newton/ **for each timeslot*** Documents: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/documents Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  5. November Meeting Status & Objectives • TGv Status • Draft 3.02 available • LB 133 Comments available in 11-08-0801 • Need a secretary • November Meeting Objectives • Comment Resolution • Hear Presentations • Letter Ballot Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  6. Documents for 08/801 comment resolution Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  7. TGv Schedule History • Wireless Network Management SG formed – Jan 2004 • Wireless Networks Management TG formed – Nov 2004 • Call for proposals – Sept 2005 • Base line accepted - January 06 • Submissions addressing objectives - Started in March 06 • TG Ad-Hoc Draft Internal Review - October 06 to present • Internal review of Draft 0.05 – 446 comments (06/1615) • Internal review of Draft 0.08 – 95 comments (07/0310) • Internal review of Draft 0.10 - 281 comments (07/0594) • LB 108 Results: 132 yes -77 no -38 abstain, 63% approval, fails, comments in 11-07-2368 • LB 123 Results: 126 yes, 62 no, 34 abstain, 67% approval, fails, comments in 11-08-0265 • LB 133 Results: 106 yes, 47 no, 28 abstain, 69% approval, comments in 11-08-0801 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  8. TGv Timeline – Updated Sept, 2008 • Initial Working Group Letter Ballot: July 07 – completed • Jan 08 – D2.0, May 08 – D3.0 • Re-circulation Working Group Letter Ballot: November 08 (D4.0) • Mar 09 – D5.0, May 09 – D 6.0, July 09 – D7.0, D7.0(unchanged) • Form Sponsor Ballot Pool: June 09 • Initial Sponsor Ballot: Sept 09 • Sept 09 Revcom Agenda • Sept 09 – D7.0 • Approved Sponsor Ballot: Nov 09 • Nov 09 – D8.0, Jan 09 - D9.0, Feb D10.0, March D11.0, April D12.0 • May 12th ( or so) for Revcom June Approval • Final WG/EC Approval: July 2010 • RevCom/Standards Board Approval: June 4th/June 5th(or so) • Note: TGv PAR is authorized through Dec 2010 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  9. TGv D3.0 Content Summary • BSS Transition Management for Network Load Balancing • Channel Usage • Co-located Interference Reporting • Diagnostic Reporting • Event Reporting • Flexible Broadcast/Multicast service • Multicast Diagnostics Reporting • Multiple BSSID Support • Multiple SSID • Proxy ARP • Location, Timing Measurement • TIM Broadcast • TFS • Sleep Mode • Approximately 250 Pages of content Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  10. Known January Presentations Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  11. January Meeting Planning • Objectives • Comment Resolution • Hear Presentations • Letter Ballot • Conference Call(s) • Jan 6, 13, Feb 3, 10 • Ad-Hoc meeting • January 7-9? • January 12-14? • February 16-18? Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  12. Motion 1 • Move to adopt the agenda in 11-08-1200-01-000v-November-2008-agenda. • Mover: • Seconder: • Result: Unanimous Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  13. Straw poll 1 • UTC time should be • Available generally (in Beacon, Probe Response) 5 • Available only locally to Event Reports 6 • Abstain -12 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  14. Straw poll 2 • I prefer the language in 1010r3 • Option 1-3 • Option 2 -0 • Option 3 - 0 • None of the above - 1 • Abstain - 18 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  15. Straw poll 3 • The bit definition/concept indicated in 1010-03 should be added to the TGv draft • Yes - 10 • No - 6 • Abstain 6 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  16. Motion 2 • Move to approve the meeting minutes in 11-08-1064-00-000v-September-2008-Minutes-for-Task-Group-v and 11-08-1199-03-000v-TGv-Sept-Oct-Nov-08-telecon- meeting-notes.doc. • Mover: Ganesh Venkatesan • Seconder: Emily Qi • Result: Unanimous Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  17. Motion 3 • Move to adopt TGv Draft 3.02 as the current TGv draft. • Mover: Allan Thomson • Seconder: Ganesh Venkatesan • Result: Unanimous Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  18. Motion 4 • Move to adopt the indicated text changes in • 11-08-1197-04-000v-d3-02-edits.doc • into the TGv draft. • Moved: Allan Thomson • Seconded: Emily Qi • Result- 8-0-3 Passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  19. Motion 5 • Move to adopt the indicated text changes in • 11-08-1284-00-000v-additional-TIM-CIDs • into the TGv draft. • Moved: Allan Thomson • Seconded: Emily Qi • Result 13-0-4 Passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  20. Motion 6 • Move to incorporate the changes in document 11-08-0419-03-000v-proposed-resolution-for-cid423-et-al-on-ap-collaboration.doc into the TGv draft, and • resolve CID 1274, as “counter”, with a comment resolution of “Incorporate text changes in 08-0419-03” and • resolve CIDs 400, 1404, 1411 as “counter”, with a comment resolution of “see CID 1274” • Moved: Bill Marshall • Seconded: Joe Kwak • Result 5-7-8 Motion fails Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  21. Motion 7 • Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Diagnostics category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. • CID 163, Counter, “Incorporate the text changes indicated in 08-1283-01” • Moved: Allan Thomson • Seconded: Brian Hart • Result 14-4-3 Motion passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  22. Motion 8 • Move to adopt the indicated text changes in • 11-08-1013-07-000v-Additional-Diagnostic Edits • into the TGv draft. • Moved: Allan Thomson • Seconded: Emily Qi • Result 11-0-7 passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  23. Motion 9 • Move to adopt the indicated text changes into the TGv draft: • In 11.20.3, change from • When the IPv4 address being resolved in theARP request packet is used by a non-AP STA currently associated to the BSS, the Proxy ARP service shall respond to the request on behalf of the non-AP STA [RFC 925], unless the packet updates the HardwareAddress to Internet Address mapping. The Proxy ARP service also shall respond to Internet Control Message Protocol version 6 (ICMPv6) Neighbor Discovery packets on behalf of the non-AP STA, to support IPv6 services [RFC 2461], unless the packet updates the Hardware Address to Internet Address mapping. • .to • When the IPv4 address being resolved in theARP request packet is used by a non-AP STA currently associated to the BSS, the Proxy ARP service shall respond to the request on behalf of the non-AP STA [RFC 925]. The Proxy ARP service also shall respond to Internet Control Message Protocol version 6 (ICMPv6) Neighbor Discovery packets on behalf of the non-AP STA, to support IPv6 services [RFC 2461]. • Moved: Allan Thomson • Seconded: Dave Stephenson • Result 7-0-12 Passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  24. Motion 10 • Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Traffic Generation category comment indicated below: • CID 73 – Declined, “Incorporate the resolution in 11-0801-02, and add “The commenter is invited to submit additional clarifying text” • Moved: Fujio Watanabe • Seconded: Emily Qi • Result Unanimous Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  25. Motion 11 • Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Timing Measurement category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. • 08-1011-05 (Timing Measurement) - All accepted, counter and declined comments and normative text changes in 08-1229-02 • Moved: Ganesh Venkatesan • Seconded: Emily Qi • Result – 6-2-3 Motion Passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  26. Straw Polls 4, 5 • Do you agree that there is a need to streamline the BSS transition process as described in this presentation?Yes:2 No:0 Abstain:14 • Do you agree that the approach in the second solution presented in this presentation should be included in the new revision of the 802.11v draft?Yes:5 No:0 Abstain:11 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  27. Motion 12 • Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Diagnostics category comment indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. • CIDs 163, 227 – Counter, “Incorporate the text changes indicated in 08-1282-02” • Moved: Allan Thomson • Seconded: Peter Ecclesine • Result 7-0-7 motion passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  28. Motion 13 • Move to adopt the comment resolution for the General category comment indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. • CID 269 – Counter, “Incorporate the text changes indicated in 08-0050-03” • Moved: Darwin Engwer • Seconded: Emily Qi • Result 6-2-8 motion passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  29. Straw Poll 6 • Do you think it meaningful to add such kind of measurement and reporting parameters to keep the network more controllable? -Yes 2 -No 2 -Abstain 19 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  30. Straw Poll 7 • Do you think it meaningful to put the NumRefusedAssociationReq counter into the MIB to facilitate some service and network quality statistics? - Yes 5 - No 2 - Abstain 15 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  31. Motion 14 • Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the General category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. • CID 251 –Counter, “Incorporate the text changes indicated in 08-1354-00” • CIDs 252,253,254,313 – Counter, “See CID 251” • Moved: Michael Montemurro • Seconded: Henry Ptasinski • Result 11-6-4 Motion fails Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  32. Motion 15 • Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the General category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. • CIDs 1239, 1257 – Counter, “Incorporate the text changes indicated in 08-1327-02” • Moved: Qi Wang • Seconded: Ganesh Venkatesan • Result 16-0-4 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  33. Motion 16 • Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Event category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. • CID 1227, 1328 – Counter, “Incorporate the text changes indicated in 08-1391-01” • Moved: Allan Thomson • Seconded: Qi Wang • Result 15-0-5 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  34. Motion 17 • Move to adopt the text changes in • 11-08-1371-00-000v-normative-changes-to-timing-measurement.doc • into the TGv draft. • Moved: Ganesh Venkatesan • Seconded: Qi Wang • Result 12-1-6 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  35. Motion 18 • Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the General category comments indicated below • CID 251 –Declined, “The TG considered incorporation of 08-1354-00. The motion to adopt the text failed 11-6-4. Concerns that were raised will be documented in the TGv session minutes. The commenter is invited to bring a revised presentation. • CIDs 252,253,254,313 – Declined, “See CID 251” • Moved: Mark Hamilton • Seconded: Joe Kwak • Result 3-1-12 Motion pass Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  36. Motion 19 • Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the General category comment 1274 as “Declined”, • In September, the TG considered adopting the text in 08-0419-02; The motion to adopt the text failed, 7-6-7. Concerns include: • Synchronous voice and video will be suppressed, without the ability for codecs to compensate. Codecs improve performance to adapt to the links. • Legacy 2.4 GHz STAs (including dual-mode cell phones) will not honor the Quiet element, and many do not have a dot11SpectrumManagementEnabled MIB variable. • No provision for asynchronous MIB changes among the APs is provided - with bad radio links, how do the incremental MIB changes affect BSS operation during the MIB changes - how does QoS work while the dot11APCEntry surpression tables are being changed, and when  dot11xxxAPCollaborationEnabled changes value, how to calculate and communicate the new TCLAS? • No exceptions to suppression in order to meet regulatory requirements like E-9-1-1 • No exceptions to suppression when operating in shared bands - to report radar, change channel, DSE, etc. • The commenters revised the proposal, and in November, the TG considered adopting the text in 08-0419-03; The motion to adopt the text failed, 5-7-8. Concerns include: • Insufficient explanation of the experimental and simulation results for the multiple AP cases regarding MOS scores and number of APs, offered load, station load. • Behavior in the presence of more than 2 APs with AP collaboration active not described; note that the typical enterprise case has many more than 2 APs. • No detail provided on performance of AP collaboration in the presence of an AP that is not a collaborating AP. • Radar avoidance issues. • Failure to address synchronization issues between APs, specifically clock drift. • No convincing explanation of why throughput reduction occurs (assuming it is not hidden nodes) – need more than just a measurement on a single type of device from a single vendor. Such an explanation would show that the proposed coordination mechanism would actually solve the problem, would solve it better than alternate approaches and would not –in different scenarios– actually degrades performance. “  • Moved: Allan Thomson • Seconded: Emily Qi • Result 7-1-8 Motion passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  37. Motion 20 • Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Co-located Interference category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. • CID 302 – Declined, “The TG adopted the collocated interference capability to enable the STA to provide an indication of collocated interference that may be present, and the TG believes that this capability is complete and sufficient. The need for additional specification of transmit inhibition is not clear. The examples cited in 1010-03 include the case when ACK is used; however when ACK is used, there is no difference between the receive and transmit interference. Another example cited is applicability to broadcast/multicast traffic. However, with MC/BC – there is no need for the AP to know that transmitter is inhibited, unless all stations would have the same exact inhibition schedule. Another example cited is when delayed ACK and Block ACK are used. However, Delayed ACK, Regular Block ACK are still sent, or are sent at a pre-defined delay time. Not clear how the AP can schedule to use the information provided in the proposed additional bit(s). In addition, distinguishing between RX/TX provides an even higher layer of granularity, creating a false expectation of frame scheduling on the part of the user. ” • CIDs 303 through 308 – “ See CID 302” • Moved: Qi Wang • Seconded: Emily Qi • Result 8-2-6 motion passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  38. Motion 21 • Move to adopt the text changes in • 11-08-1396-00-000v-normative-text-annexq-update.pdfinto the TGv draft. • Moved: Joe Kwak • Seconded: Allan Thomson • Result 10-0-3 motion passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  39. Straw Poll 8 TGv should authorize an ad-hoc in February 2009. • Yes 5 • No 0 • Abstain 13 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  40. Motion 22 Move to authorize a TGv Ad-hoc February 16-18, 2009 (Mon-Weds), in San Jose area, host tbd • Mover: Joe Kwak • Seconder: Fujio Watanabe • Result: 3-1-12 motion passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  41. Motion 23 Move to authorize TGv Teleconferences • January 6, 13, February 3, 10, 17, March 3, 2009 • Noon Eastern for 2 hours. • Mover: Emily Qi • Seconder: Fujio Watanabe • Result: 7-0-7 Motion passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  42. Motion 24 • Move • To adopt TGv Draft 3.04 as the TGv draft, • To instruct the editor to renumber TGv Draft 3.04 as Draft 4.0 and • To request the 802.11 WG chair to conduct a 30-day Letter Ballot on TGv Draft D4.0, asking the question “Should TGv Draft 4.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?” • Mover: Emily Qi • Seconder: Allan Thomson • Result: 11-0-5 motion passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

  43. References Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks

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