ESS-net ESeG

1. ESS-net ESeG Elaborating European Socio economic Groups for the ESS

2. ESS-net ESeG • The project • First steps and Consultations • First lessons : advantages and disadvantages

3. The ESSnet ESeG project • An ESSnet was launched on October 21st 2011 • coordinated by INSEE with the NSIs from Italy, the Czech Republic and Hungary, for two years,(now 2,5 years) • in order to elaborate European Socioeconomic Groups (EseG). • Building on previous works • the ESEC prototype (2004-2006) built up by a consortium of researchers set up by the European Commission’s DG Research • and its evaluation (2006-2009) by Eurostat • Using Isco08 (2digits) and the core variables from European surveys (status of employment and activity –NACE)

4. The ESSnet EseG project : steps and method • The ESSnet (and partners) asked and has now obtained access to microdata from the main European surveys : • - LFS, with ad hoc modules • - SILC and AES Other surveys like EWCS and ESS are also used Transition tables from ISCO-88 to ISCO-08 are built • (necessary because micro data in new classification will only lately be available - 2011 data) • Methodology: these sets of data are to be used • - to elaborate several prototypes of classifications • - exploring different options • - essentially by crossing known elements on employment status and activity • - top-down approach is favored (but bottom-up approach also explored if possible) • - to test the discriminating power of such prototypes in a wide set of thematic domains • - only one prototype will be selected in the end, • - but a more detailed 2-digit version will also be developed - other variables may also be mobilized (such as supervision or the size of the enterprise)- in order to offer the possibility of other groupings • This will allow to reconcile different points of view on the relevant aggregated levels.

5. The ESS-net ESeG project : Work Packages • -WP1 : elaboration of a methodology and access to microdata • -WP2 : assessing the necessary variables, specifically ISCO08. • -WP3 : to elaborate several prototypes of classifications • foreseeing different options, • essentially from known elements on employment and occupation. • -WP4 : to test the different prototypes • (with the possibility to come back to the step of elaboration) • in order to determine which prototype is the best • ie: which one discriminates behaviours in a wide set of domains • -WP5 : dedicated to the completion of reports and studies • in order to explain and to codify the new classification

6. Planning

7. The ESSnet EseG project : collaborations and consultations • A large consultation, with the 27 NSIs… • A questionnaire sent and received from the 27 NSIs to know the MS contexts about Socio economic Classifications (january 2012) • (12 NSIs describe a classification, most often based on occupation, Status of employment and qualification, even if this term does not always have exactly the same meaning) • A questionnaire sent to know how occupation and economic activity are coded in the main European surveys (LFS, EUSILC, AES) (may 2012). • A third consultation on prototypes for testing (contact through Classification working group) …and with researchers and potential users of the classification Collaborations with researchers : • Some NSIs are now working with research laboratories • In France, 3 laboratories are working on the project • In Czech Republic, 1 laboratory is working with the NSI. • Presentation of the project to the ESAC is envisaged

8. The ESSnet EseG project : first steps and consultations • Kick-Off meeting: 14-15th of November 2011 • Budapest meeting: 20-21th of February 2011 • International workshop if researchers in Paris in June 2012. • - 20 participants from different countries (sociologists, statisticians…) • - and from different schools of thought, even from the previous ESEC - They gave us good ideas and useful ways of working and some consensus were found • - They wish to keep in touch with us • Interim report: by the end of October 2012 • Eurostat Workshop on classifications: 7-8th of November 2012 • Rome meeting: 17-18th of December 2012

9. Working with ESSnet : advantages and disadvantages • -The subject is interesting but difficult • Many years of trying beforehand (ESEC…) • Several theories and difficult discussions… • Impossible to reconcile ? But interesting to gather several points of view, from different countries, NSIs and laboratories of research • - Working with others is not so easy • NSIs do not have so much time for classifications • We don’t know each other and how we are organised • - To consult researchers : • everybody has his own rythm, world, way of thinking • They are very dispersed and we discover each day a new point of view!

10. Working with ESSnet : advantages and disadvantages • The relationship with EUROSTAT and the role of one another : • We expect a lot… and there are some ambiguity and difficulties of understanding • They pay, we work • Need to trust • Who does what? • Need for help • Microdata: how to do? How long does it take to receive them ?! • About history: who is aware ? Who keep track (report of Gray..) • Who decides? Who organises? • Not always so clear… • But interesting and rewarding to work with Eurostat and other NSIs • Useful to better know one another…

11. Insee 18 bd Adolphe-Pinard 75675 Paris Cedex 14 www.insee.fr Informations statistiques : www.insee.fr / Contacter l’Insee 09 72 72 4000 (coût d’un appel local) du lundi au vendredi de 9h00 à 17h00 The ESSnet ESeG project Thank you for your attention ! Monique Meron and Michel Amar Coordinators of the ESSnet ESEG monique.meron@insee.fr tel : 33 (0)1 41 17 57 24 michel.amar@insee.fr      tel : 33 (0)1 41 17 54 65