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Listening Session Needs of Potential Users Methods for Forecasting Demand and Quantifying Need for Rural Passenger Transportation ( TCRP Project B-36). National Conference on Rural Public and Intercity Transportation October 21, 2008. Findings of Initial Tasks (general agreement).
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Listening SessionNeeds of Potential UsersMethods for Forecasting Demand and Quantifying Need for Rural Passenger Transportation( TCRP Project B-36) National Conference on Rural Public and Intercity Transportation October 21, 2008
Findings of Initial Tasks(general agreement) • Need = number of persons likely to require service • Demand = Use of service at given level of quality and cost • Both are required; need may be more important to build support • It may be more useful to forecast demand related to changes from a base condition
Findings of Initial Tasks(some disagreement) • Maintain “program/non-program” distinction • Quality of service may not be an essential factor • Some areas want models to forecast commuter travel to urban centers • Some want models to include fare policies
Need(Potential Approaches) • Number of persons in key population segments (elderly, low income, with disabilities, in social service program) • Maximum or 85th percentile per capita use for peer systems (Minnesota approach) • Mobility Gap based on ACS
Demand(Possible approaches) • Default rates based on: • National experience • State experience • Nearby systems • Peer systems • Full demand model • Market based methods
Data Sources • Demographic data – ACS (and PUMS) • will be available at the tract level • only source for disability data • National Household Travel Survey • valid data only for large geographic areas • Rural NTD • service areas not clearly identified • patronage by market not specified • some questions about data quality • general public services only
Data Sources(continued) • Public Transportation-Human Service Coordination Plans • Do not contain detailed data • One product may be recommendations on data collection to support need/demand analysis • Operating agencies • Best source for detailed data • Obtaining data requires substantial effort
Demand Frameworks Market based similar to B-3 • Keyed to demographic data with adjustment for service quality • Commuter to central city element added based on Census • Program vs. Non-program stratification retained • Little data available to develop improved model • 2000 Census could provide data for commuter model
Possible Demand FrameworksMarket based – limited to public transportation • Addresses only demand for Section 5311 funded services • Rural NTD coupled with Census/ACS provides data • Difficult to define “area served” • Depends on quality of NTD reporting • Permits analysis of regional variation
Possible Demand Frameworks Peer Group • Forecast demand based on state experience • Models can be developed only for states having data • Project report would describe process for states to adopt • Could be integrated with coordination plans
Need Framework • Based on population segments • Mobility Gap by region
Demand Framework Service Stratified • Section 5311 recipients and similar systems based on Rural NTD • Program (sponsored) trips based on B-3 • Small city fixed route based analysis of trips/capita vs. service/capita • Commuters to urban centers based on Census Journey-to-work
Use of Methodology(User comments sought) • How will you use this methodology? • What problems would you have with the proposed approach?
Model Structure(User comments sought) • Is the distinction between program (sponsored-trips) and non-program trips useful? • What are types of program trips should be addressed? • B-3 categories:
Model Structure(user comments sought) • Are there key markets we are omitting? • Are the data sources we have overlooked?
Presentation Formats(user comment sought) • Workbook – as for Project B-3 • Detailed report explaining methodology • Excel spreadsheet • On-line application