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ELEMENTS B1 & B2 POWER POINT SLIDES

ELEMENTS B1 & B2 POWER POINT SLIDES. Class #28 Monday, November 0 (October 31), 2016 Tuesday, November 1, 2016.

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ELEMENTS B1 & B2 POWER POINT SLIDES

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  1. ELEMENTS B1 & B2 POWER POINT SLIDES Class #28 Monday, November 0 (October 31), 2016 Tuesday, November 1, 2016

  2. Dave Brubeck QuintetWe’re All Together Again for the First Time (1973) Featuring “Take Five” (1960)Dave Brubeck, Piano * Paul Desmond, Alto Sax* Gerry Mulligan, Baritone SaxAlan Dawson, Drums * Jack Six, Bass Fajer’s Exam Technique Workshop: Wed. 11/2 & Tue. 11/8 Both in Room E352 @ 12:30-1:50 pm Identical Content

  3. Pop Culture Quiz Name the Musical Group: • 1st Billboard #1 Hit in 1958 • Won 5 Grammys; Nominated for 8 More • Featured in Major Studio Motion Picture in 2011 Hint:

  4. Pop Culture Quiz Name the Musical Group: • 1st Billboard #1 Hit in 1958 • Won 5 Grammys; Nominated for 8 More • Featured in Major Studio Motion Picture in 2011

  5. Rose Article & DQ2.21 Cf. RANE (~1981)

  6. Rose Article & DQ 2.21 Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms Mullettfavoring finders byadopting broad definition of NL (v. Limit to Nat’l Habitat): • Clear Act: Requiring “nat’l habitat” too generous to OO • If animal can provide for itself, F can’t assume prior ownership • Relatively few people would know that sea lion out of place • Useful Labor: Maybe insufficient labor by OO to … • alert other people of claim. • contain animal in way that it won’t get mistaken for wild. • Note that looking at Mullett this way helps explain why other cases focus on marking & finder’s knowledge: Ways to provide or identify clear act even if animal gets to NL.

  7. Rose Article & DQ 2.21 (Radium)Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms • Shaw favoring net-owners by rejecting perfect net rule? • Relationship to “Rewarding Useful Labor”?

  8. Rose Article & DQ 2.21 (Radium)Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms Shaw rejecting perfect net rule? • Relationship to “Rewarding Useful Labor” • Net useful even if imperfect if gets lots of fish • Relationship to “Clear Act”?

  9. Rose Article & DQ 2.21 (Radium)Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms Shaw rejecting perfect net rule? • Relationship to “Clear Act” • Probably most people see fish in net as owned even if imperfect. • Net has to be pretty bad to send signal that net-owner doesn’t claim fish (cf. sunken boat) • Note: State adopting rule increases “clarity” of act by confirming net doesn’t have to be perfect.

  10. Rose Article & DQ 2.21 (Radium)Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms Albers favoring OOs by rejecting Mullettrule? • Relationship to “Rewarding Useful Labor”?

  11. Rose Article & DQ 2.21 (Radium)Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms Albers rejecting Mullettrule? • Relationship to “Rewarding Useful Labor” • Mullettrule insufficient protection for investment in important industry • Tattooing itself is useful labor b/c specifically identifies OO at least to insiders • Relationship to “Clear Act”?

  12. Rose Article & DQ 2.21 (Radium)Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms Albers rejecting Mullettrule? • Relationship to “Clear Act” • Tattoo tells everyone there is OO and specifically identifies OO to insiders (including this D) • Court leaves open possibility of different result if truly innocent finder

  13. Rose Article & DQ 2.21 (Radium)Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms • Ghen favoring whaling industry by adopting custom? • Relationship to “Rewarding Useful Labor”?

  14. Rose Article & DQ 2.21 (Radium)Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms Ghen adopting custom • Relationship to “Rewarding Useful Labor” • Custom Rewards Labor of Whale Killer. Especially important because: • Whaling Industry Useful b/c Whales Valuable • Custom Necessary to Industry to Give Enough $$$ • Whaler Arguably Did All Possible to Retain Whale • Finder Also Gets $$$ for Useful Labor of Reporting • Relationship to “Clear Act”?

  15. Rose Article & DQ 2.21 (Radium) Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms Ghen adopting custom • Relationship to “Clear Act”: • Mark Seems Very Strong • What About Interaction with Outsiders?

  16. Rose Article & DQ 2.21 (Radium)Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms Ghen adopting custom • Relationship to “Clear Act”: Q re Outsiders • Maybe OK b/c Mark is Very Strong • Maybe OK b/c Have to Use Insiders to Process • Maybe OK b/c Best You Can Do

  17. Rose Article & DQ 2.21:Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms Swift adopting Custom (Not Shown in Class) • Relationship to “Clear Act”: • Accepted by “Relevant Audience” • Relationship to “Rewarding Useful Labor” • Labor Necessary to Get Resource Incomplete • Maybe court assumes that long agreement means industry thinks custom is right balance between labor & notice

  18. Rose Article & DQ 2.21Characterize Cases in Rose’s Terms I’ll also include in this set of slides a version for Swift (previous slide). Questions on Rose?

  19. LOGISTICS CLASS #28 • Unit III Materials on Course Page • Plus Updated Syllabus & Assignment Sheet • We’ll Start Unit III Next Class • Review Problem 2F Next Class • 1st Possession of Uninhabited Island Under ACs • Uranium/Radium: Names on Slide Before Class • Strongest Arguments for Your Client • Hardest Qs to Resolve Under ACs • Qs on GWA #3?

  20. Oil & Gas: “Escape” * Starting Point: What Hammonds calls “Escape” the industry calls “Reinsertion” *Featuring “Sybil Green” Font (reinsertions into empty spaces)

  21. Oil & Gas: “Escape” Factual Setting of Hammonds & White • Gas pool underneath multiple surface lots • All usable gas extracted from pool • Gas Co. (G) uses empty pool for storage: • G has lawful access from some point on surface • G wants to extract and reinsert at will • G does not want to pay surface Os for right to store gas in the underground parts of their lots

  22. Oil & Gas: “Escape” Legal Issue in Hammonds & White • White(p.101): [W]hether title to natural gas, once having been reduced to possession, is lost by the injection of such gas into a natural underground reservoir for storage purposes.

  23. Oil & Gas: “Escape” Legal Issue in Hammonds & White • White(p.101): [W]hether title to natural gas, once having been reduced to possession, is lost by the injection of such gas into a natural underground reservoir for storage purposes. • Hammonds (p.96-97): “[W]hetherthe gas, having once been reduced to possession …, was restored to its original wild and natural status, by being replaced in a similar reservoir of nature….” (???!!!) (We’ll Come Back to This)

  24. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. FActs & LEGAL CLAIM • Dfdt CKNG has gas it extracted from different places. • Stores “vast quantities of gas” in depleted underground reservoir, a portion of which is part of Plaintiff Hammonds’sland. • H sues for trespass. Means what here? Who (allegedly) is trespassing where?

  25. Oil & Gas: “Escape Factual Settings: Hammonds v. White • Gas Co. (G) uses empty pool for storage • Hammonds = Dispute betw G & Surface O • White = Different Problem • Reinserted Gas Leaked into Adjacent Gas Pool • Person with Interest in Adjacent Pool Wants to Pump Out Reinserted Gas Through That Pool

  26. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. DQ2.26: Cost/Benefit Analysis (Uranium) Material Harm to H if CKNG stored its gas in the part of the reservoir in her land?

  27. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. DQ2.26: Cost/Benefit Analysis (Uranium) • MaterialHarm to H if CKNG stored its gas in the part of the reservoir in her land? • Alternate Uses? Very Unlikely (Shoe Storage??) • Danger from Reinsertion: Very unlikely to have leaks or explosions b/c in original reservoir surrounded by non-permeousrock + CKNG knows it’s liable for this kind of harm + H didn’t raise • Noise/Fumes: Likely no more than from original extraction; 54-acre lot mostly not affected. Other Kinds of Harm?

  28. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. DQ2.26: Cost/Benefit Analysis (Uranium) • Other Harm to H if CKNG stored its gas in the part of the reservoir in her land? • Loss of Rental Value (if she’s entitled to) • More Psychological/Abstract Harm: • Unlikely to be aware of presence of gas (but see “The Princess & the Pea”) • Maybe need to protect allproperty rights (“Just bugs me that …”)

  29. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. DQ2.26: Cost/Benefit Analysis (Uranium) Harm to H = Loss of Property Rights & Rental Value Benefits to society if gas was stored underground rather than on surface?

  30. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. DQ2.26: Cost/Benefit Analysis (Uranium) • Harm to H = Loss of PptyRts & Rental Value • Benefits to society if gas was stored underground rather than aboveground: • Safety (See Sylvester Stallone) • Aesthetics (Try to Avoid Seeing New Jersey) • Cost Savings (No Tanks or Surface Space)  Cheaper Fuel • Big Social Benefits Outweigh Harms Unless Great Value Given to Abstract Property Rights

  31. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. DQ2.27: BARGAINING (Uranium) Why parties were not able to bargain to a satisfactory solution in Hammonds? • Ordinary Transaction Costs (see DQ1.29(b)) • Unsurprising if big gap between positions: • Hammonds has little to lose from holding out • CKNG has to worry about similar deals w lots of owners of small surface lots, so unlikely to want to give much

  32. Oil & Gas: “Escape” Cf. Trespass & Airline Overflights • Airlines want to use empty space technically owned by surface Os • High value to airline & passengers • Little value to surface Os • Bargaining very expensive (every lot from NY LA)

  33. Oil & Gas: “Escape” Cf. Trespass & Airline Overflights • Airlines want to use empty space technically owned by surface Os • Solution is Federal Statute Removing Surface Rights Above X Feet • Could Do Something Similar for Reinsertion • We’ll Do As Alternative to Escape ACs in DQ2.36 • For Practice: Fact Comparisons: Reinsertion v. Airspace • Will Become Part of Our Standard Analysis of Takings Cases (See DQ3.03, 3.09, 3.10, 3.17, etc.)

  34. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. Logic of Case • Hammonds (p.96-97): Statement of “Issue”: • “[W]hether the gas, having once been reduced to possession …, was restored to its original wild and natural status, by being replaced in a similar reservoir of nature….” Not Immediately Obvious Why This Q is Relevant to Trespass!!

  35. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. Logic of Case • Natural Gas = Wild Animal • If Animal Escapes Back to Wild, OO Loses Property Rights • THUS: If Natural Gas “Escapes” Back to Wild, OO Loses Property Rights • OO Loses Property Rights = No Trespass

  36. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. Logic of Case PROBLEMS WITH THIS USE OF ANALOGY • Court extends ACs analogy from 1st possession to escape without any defense. • No precedent cited for specific legal Q re ownership of reinserted gas (BUT Animals Analogy treated as well-established binding precedent) • No policy discussion at all (E.g., no reference to any part of cost/benefit analysis we did in DQ2.26)

  37. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. Logic of Case PROBLEMS WITH THIS USE OF ANALOGY • Court extends ACs analogy from 1st possession to escape without any defense. • Deliberate use of reservoir while maintaining control doesn’t look like “escape” (cf. White)

  38. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. Logic of Case PROBLEMS WITH THIS USE OF ANALOGY • Court extends ACs analogy from 1st possession to escape without any defense. • Deliberate use of reservoir while maintaining control doesn’t look like “escape” (cf. White) • Even under Escape ACs, Gas co. could win • Short Distance, F’s Knowledge, Protect Industry, AR • Continued Control by G might mean no Return to NL

  39. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. Logic of Case • Specific Analogy Noted by Court: • “If one capture a fox in a forest and turn it loose in another [forest], or if he catch a fish and put it back in the stream at another point, has he not done … just what the appellee has done with the gas in this case?”

  40. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. Logic of Case (URANIUM) • Specific Analogy Noted by Court: • “If one capture a fox in a forest and turn it loose in another [forest], or if he catch a fish and put it back in the stream at another point, has he not done … just what the appellee has done with the gas in this case?” • NO. Reinsertion in Hammonds more like: • letting fox out into walled enclosure; or • letting fox out having trained it to return when you call.

  41. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. DQ2.28: Uranium Long Quote from Willis’s Thornton on Oil & Gas §1264 (pp. 97-98): • Says reinserted gas resumes its “original character….” • Says a neighbor like Hammonds “could take it with impunity through adjacent wells….” Why doesn’t this passage conclusively resolve the case? Some ideas?

  42. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. DQ2.28: Uranium Why doesn’t Treatise quote conclusively resolve case? • Treatise is not binding authority and does not cite to any cases on point (or court would note). • Author focused on Tax Q; as we noted re Albers, can characterize differently for tax than for property rts.

  43. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. DQ2.28: Uranium Why doesn’t Treatise quote conclusively resolve case? • Treatisenot binding authority. • Can characterize differently for tax than for property rts. • Also, in quote, Willis making an argument about how reinserted gas should be taxed. • “It … should be taxed with and as a part of the land.” • Not telling us how Ky (or any other state) in fact taxes. • Supports H’s trespass claim if Gas Co. paying taxes on gas in portion of pool on her lot. • Supports court’s decision that Gas Co. no longer owns if H paying taxes on the gas.

  44. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. DQ2.29: Upshot of CaSERADIUM • After the case is over, what new problem does the gas company have? • What is likely to happen next? • Is this a good result from society’s perspective?

  45. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. DQ2.29: Upshot of CaSERADIUM • After the case is over, what new problem does the gas company have? • Because they lose ownership of reinserted gas, anyone owning surface above pool can drill & take. • What is likely to happen next? • Gas Company removes gas and stops reinsertion. • Is this a good result from society’s perspective? • Public loses extensive benefits of reinsertion.

  46. Hammonds v. C. Ky. Nat’l Gas Co. Miscellaneous Points • Because of cost-benefit analysis, Ms. Hammonds isn’t very sympathetic plaintiff, so court may be looking for way for her to lose. • Note Kentucky SCt in Hail (1854) describing crude oil, then sold as patent medicine, as "a peculiar liquid not necessary nor indeed suitable for the common use of man“ (p.95) (cf. Animals: Blackstone  Albers) • Questions on Hammonds?

  47. White v. N.Y. Gas Co. RADIUM DQ2.30 OXYGEN DQ2.31-2.32

  48. White v. N.Y. Gas Co.: OVERVIEW • P has rights to part of proceeds [Means?] from gas well (O’Donnell Well = OD) operated by Ds • OD had not produced much gas for a long time. • Ds & others using nearby well for storage of reinsertion gas. • Reinsertion gas leaking underground into OD. • OD starts producing again • Ds discover that gas now coming from OD is reinsertion gas from other well & curtail production of OD Factual Dispute: Was the gas coming out of OD stored gas or local gas?

  49. White v. N.Y. Gas Co.: OVERVIEW • Factual Dispute: Was the gas coming out of the OD well stored gas or local gas? • Findings: • By the time of trial all the local gas was gone. • Thus, only stored gas was coming out of the OD well.

  50. White v. N.Y. Gas Co.: OVERVIEW Claim by P’tiff: (relying on Hammonds & ACs) • Once reinserted underground, gas has “escaped”, so belongs to nobody. Hammonds. • Thus, what comes out of OD well belongs to “captors” (owners/beneficiaries of OD including P). • Ds have contractual duty to continue pumping OD well for benefit of owners of proceeds of OD (as though it was one of several wells doing initial capture in a multi-well field).

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