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So You Want to Go Backpacking?! What About a Gift Idea?

So You Want to Go Backpacking?! What About a Gift Idea?. Got Your Gear? Know What to Buy? What Do You Really Need?. Internal Compression straps . External Tie on extra gear. First, You Need a Backpack. Backpacks 101. Get fitted at REI. Shop around (Campmor, Academy, Gander Mtn)

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So You Want to Go Backpacking?! What About a Gift Idea?

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  1. So You Want to Go Backpacking?! What About a Gift Idea? Got Your Gear? Know What to Buy? What Do You Really Need?

  2. Internal Compression straps External Tie on extra gear First, You Need a Backpack

  3. Backpacks 101

  4. Get fitted at REI. Shop around (Campmor, Academy, Gander Mtn) If external frame: purchase straps for sleeping bag/tent Don’t use bungies (lost, need strength, only 1 use) Slice/melt and attach to frame to prevent loss. Backpacks 101

  5. Brands? Top rated are: Gregory Kelty Dana Designs Toughest pack: Arc’Teryx Bora (Backpacker 2/2005) I recommend: External: Kelty Tioga/Super Tioga Internal: Kelty: Coyote/Red Cloud Backpacks 101

  6. Top rated are: Gregory (Forrester or Shasta: Tough. Top sellers. Wt 5 lb 8oz $249.95) Kelty (Red cloud/Coyote 4750.. Wt 5 lb 6 oz. $119.99) Dana Designs. Toughest pack: Arc’Teryx Bora (Backpacker 2/2005) Waterproof zippers. Wt. 6 lb 9oz. Padding, adjustments. $375.00 I recommend: External: Kelty Tioga/Super Tioga Internal: Kelty: Coyote/Red Cloud Backpacks 101

  7. Adult backpack recommendation Kelty Shadow 4750 Weight 3 pounds 10 oz. 2 pounds less than most $160 range Scouts Kelty Coyote Weight 5 pounds, 6 ounces $119 3700 and 4700 cu inches Backpacks 101

  8. Adult backpack recommendation Purchase name brand. Kelty sells smaller hip belts Get a women’s as exchange Scouts Kelty Coyote Weight 5 pounds, 6 ounces $119 3700 and 4700 cu inches Backpacks 101

  9. Loading the Pack- Bottom to Top • Sleeping bags • Critical element • Leave summer camp bag at home • Weight • Bulk • Warmth • A bargain might not be a bargain- do your research and get what you need/want the first time.

  10. Rating of 15-20 degrees Less than 4 pounds Mummy (hood) style 2-way zipper Full length draft tube (zipper cover) Offset quilting (inside/outside) Stuffing- go with hollow Hollofil II Quallofil Thermolite Polarguard 3D is best NOT down Cold when wet. Expensive Cost $35-50 for starters What Do You Really Need?

  11. Both rated to 20 degrees Note offset quilting (although parallel) Mummy bag has stuff holder pouch for pillow underneath (cool feature in some Sierra Designs*) Note yellow zipper tube for warmth What Does It All Look Like?

  12. Favorite Companies: The North Face Sierra Designs Kelty Marmot 54% prefer down 46% prefer synthetics Source: Backpacker magazine Feb 2005 Get the ONE you will use forever the first time…. Recommendations:

  13. Expanded. Unstuffed. Inside backpack. Bigger the better How Do You Store It? How Do You Carry It? • Get a compression sack $15-25.00 • Hard for young scouts-have to teach it (crush between knees and chest

  14. What About a Sleeping Pad? • Therm-a-rest is best. • Self inflating • Light weight • Save up and get what you really want • Easy to repair-duct tape • Gift idea - patch kit $8.00 $35.00 and 15 oz $30.00 and 24 oz

  15. What About a Sleeping Pad? Roll cover/Pillow stuff $17 4 oz. • Full length for Alaska • ¾ Length good-stuff clothes under feet • Thinner is lighter ¾” • Some models fold in ½ lengthwise and can be rolled to 4”x10” • Get the chair! • Store unrolled/inflated • Valve open Avoid mesh (punctures) Fits 20” wide $30.00 10 oz.

  16. What About a Sleeping Pad? Roll cover/Pillow stuff $17 4 oz. • So what do you buy? • Therm-a-Rest • ¾ length • Prolight series ($59) • Rolls 11 x 3.5 11oz • Stuff sack or pillow/roll cover • Chair (when older/experienced) • Get what you want first time

  17. Buy what you want the first time • $59 too much? Willing to carry something a little bulkier? • Tip: • Campmor has seconds. ¾ length pad, 1” about $25-$35 • Web deals only.

  18. 2-man 2-vestibule Skip the footprint (use plastic) Stay under 6 lbs Aluminum poles Get a vented rainfly 3 season works well $110 on sale- $129 regular Kelty Gunnison or REI half-dome (outsells all other tents REI sells 3:1) Tents- Weight Against Body • Carry trash bag for wet tent

  19. What Is the Goal of the Big Three? • Pack, sleeping bag and tent portion • Target goal • Less than 10 pounds COMBINED. • Control what you can when purchasing. • Not always possible to reach this goal.

  20. Pack for the season-but remember the BSA motto— Be prepared! Photo taken in Colorado on June 21 (first day of summer) Temp 20. Note bare feet. Clothing Goes in Next

  21. Pack for the season-but remember the BSA motto— Be prepared! Photo taken in Colorado on June 21 (first day of summer) Clothing Goes in Next-against Back

  22. Clothing From the Feet Up • Socks • Liners • Polypropylene • Wool • Avoid Wool blends with cotton • Smartwool* best (particularly “Expedition”) • Can be expensive • How many? • 3 liners and 2 Wool for a 2 week trip.

  23. Underwear • Yes wear it. • Boxer type helps reduce chaffing. • Avoid cotton but pricey. • $7-$50

  24. Long Underwear • Polypropylene pants • For 20-40 degrees price $10 • Silk • For 20-30oF -hard to care for- $22 • Expedition weight-usually with a wool inner layer • (For 0-20 degrees) • $30 (a great bargain in April) • I own these, to hot in them. • Hot chili’s

  25. Pants • Zip offs great • Bring two uppers? • 1 pair of lowers • Note cargo pockets • Zip off over boots • Buy quality “soft” nylon • Treat with Scotchguard*

  26. T-shirt • Under armor type • Short sleeve/long sleeve • Wicking is key • Bright colors • RED (hunting season) • Need 2 for a week long trek and a 3rd just to sleep in

  27. Torso Layers • Lightweight polypropylene is perfect for any moderate activity in cold weather. • 100 percent polypropylene with Transpor movement technology. • Flatlock seam construction. • Avg. Wt. 6 oz. • Single layer • $10.00 now ($7.00 in spring)

  28. Torso Layers 2 • Expedition weight (0-20 degrees) polypropylene is best suited for low to moderate aerobic activities in very cold weather. • 100 percent Innova polyolefin. • Smooth outer surface with fleeced inner. • Flatlock seam construction for comfort. • Avg. Wt. 12oz. • 2 layers. • $30.00 now ($10 in spring)

  29. Light Wind Layer • Nylon LS Shirt (Magellan type) • Avg. Wt. 9 oz. • Can be pricey ($25-50) • Beware venting in back (not mosquito proof) • Good choice, reduces wind, gives sun protection, some mosquito resistance

  30. Warm Outer Layer- Vest • Polartek 200 (hollow fiber) • 6 oz. • Not the 100 count fleece • Cost $14.99 (sale) • A sweater is the traditional layer, but heavier than vest. • Most people warm enough with out the vest layer.

  31. Outer Layer for Warmth- Fleece • Get a fleece with pockets. • Pull over warmer than one with a full zipper • Polartek 200+. • Wt 12 oz. $21.00 • Don’t bring cotton hoddie

  32. Windproof Layer • Suggest a windbreaker/rain jacket to do double duty • Get one big enough for layering • Can be expensive • Best: Marmot Precip $80

  33. Windproof Layer • Med: Red ledge $50 • Breathable fabric • Arm pit zips • Pockets inside chest • Folds into side pocket- very compact • Get breathable pants

  34. Windproof Layer- Buy the Pants Too • Med: Red ledge $50 • Breathable fabric • Arm pit zips-nice • Pockets inside chest • Note Pack cover • Get one that fits • Great gift item • Cheaper-Trash bag works too Get the pants that zip all the way on/off (avoid this)

  35. Windproof Layer Competing brands- Frog skins (note mottled coloring) Cheaper than others, might not be a durable?

  36. Windproof Layer • Low: Vinyl • Can tear • Not really durable • Heavy • Nonbreathable • Cost: $10 • Get Frog Skins instead of vinyl-or spend a little more for Red Ledge.

  37. Rainproof Layer • Low: Poncho • Can tear • Not really durable • Heavy • Nonbreathable • Not really wind top layer • Cost: $10 • Does it work? Yes, note the length and trash bag pack cover. • Cheapest, but not as many uses… personal choice. • Use it at home first.

  38. How Cold Is This System Good To? • About 20 degrees • Additional items- all would make good gifts • Gloves • Fleece or Poly. work- light weight but hard to find • Consider a “fishing glove” • Hat • Knit/ Wool/ Poly • Baklava (face/ neck/ hair cover) • Sun/ Rain Hat • Beyond the ball cap, should protect ears • Vented • Not cotton

  39. How Cold Is This System Good To? • Gloves • Fleece or Poly. work- • light weight but hard to find • Get ones with a waterproof cover. • For some treks, cotton work gloves (spray treated) • Simpler solution (wear socks on hands)

  40. How Cold Is This System Good To? • Warm Hat • Knit/ Wool/ Poly • Baklava (face/ neck/ hair cover) • Open face more comfortable than just eye slit

  41. How Cold Is This System Good To? • Can do some double duty (littlewarm, sun and rain protection • Sun/ Rain Hat • Beyond the ball cap, should protect ears • Vented • Not cotton

  42. What Goes on Top of Pack? • Food • Pots • Stove • Fuel (wrap in plastic if liquid) • Troop gear (rain tarp, rope)

  43. What About Water? Carry against body • Nalgene bottles-***** • Don’t wrap with duct tape (Philmont x) • Get 2- use 1 for powdered drinks • Platypus- tough, but small mouth • Camelback- nice, but not a must have • Use a bottled water bottle-lighter and free (mark it for cups)

  44. Water Recommendations Carry against body • 49% use bottles • 51% use bladders

  45. You Need Light • Buy what you really want the first time • Consider micro lights for weight/backup • $20 (2 AAA) • $10 (2 AA) • $5 • $8 (1 AAA) • $3 (watch)

  46. What I Don’t Carry- What I Do Carry • Great gift idea • A micro leatherman – • Leatherman tool (already put in crew first aid kit)

  47. What I Don’t Carry- What I Do Carry • Great gift idea • A micro leatherman – • Leatherman tool (already put in crew first aid kit)

  48. More Needed Items • Pump mosquito spray Personal first aid kit

  49. More Needed Items • No plate • No fork • No knife • Bowl/Cup/Spoon Waterproof matches

  50. More Needed Items • 50-100’ of Parachute cord (woven better than poly- can unravel it and use for thread)

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