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Natural Cell Size

And it’s implications to beekeeping and Varroa mites. Natural Cell Size. Presentations online. Before you take copious notes, all these presentations are online here: http://www.bushfarms.com/beespresentations.htm. Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick. “Everything works if you let it”.

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Natural Cell Size

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  1. And it’s implications to beekeeping and Varroa mites Natural Cell Size

  2. Presentations online • Before you take copious notes, all these presentations are online here: • http://www.bushfarms.com/beespresentations.htm

  3. Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick “Everything works if you let it”

  4. Small cell has been purported to help control Varroa mites. Small Cell is 4.9mm cell size. Standard foundation is 5.4mm cell size. What is natural cell size? Small Cell = Natural Cell?

  5. Made bees larger by using larger cells. Pinchot, Gontarski and others got the size up as large as 5.74mm. But AI Root’s first foundation was 5 cells to an inch which is 5.08mm. Later he started making it 4.83 cells per inch. This is equivalent to 5.26mm. (ABC XYZ of beekeeping 1945 edition page 125-126.)‏ Baudoux 1893

  6. “The leading cause of problems is solutions.” Severide’s Law

  7. Typical Foundation Today

  8. Dadant Wax 5.4mm

  9. Dadant 4.9mm “Small Cell”

  10. Plain Wax Sheet

  11. Unregressed Top Bar Hive Comb 4.7mm

  12. What I’ve done to get natural comb • Top Bar Hives

  13. Kenya Top Bar Hive

  14. Kenya Top Bar Hive

  15. What I’ve done to get natural comb • Top Bar Hives • Foundationless Frames

  16. Foundationless Frame

  17. Foundationless Frame

  18. What I’ve done to get natural comb • Top Bar Hives • Foundationless Frames • Blank Starter Strips

  19. Blank Starter Strip

  20. What I’ve done to get natural comb • Top Bar Hives • Foundationless Frames • Blank Starter Strips • Free Form Comb

  21. What I’ve done to get natural comb • Top Bar Hives • Foundationless Frames • Blank Starter Strips • Free Form Comb • Empty Frame Between Drawn Combs

  22. When you figure this in one dimension, diameter, it doesn’t sound like much. But how much is it in 3 dimensions? Standard 5.43 = 157.464 Small cell 4.93 = 117.649 Natural 4.63 = 97.336 How much difference between natural and “normal”?

  23. Cell Width Cell Volume 5.555 mm 301 mm3 5.375 277 5.210 256 5.060 237 4.925 222 4.805 206 4.700 192 From ABC XYZ of Bee Culture 1945 edition pg 126 Dimensions of cellsAccording to Baudoux

  24. Things that affect cell size • Worker intention for the comb at the time it was drawn: • Drone brood • Worker brood • Honey storage • The size of the bees drawing the comb • The spacing of the top bars

  25. What is Regression? • Large bees, from large cells, cannot build natural sized cells. They build something in between. Most will build 5.1mm worker brood cells. • The next brood cycle will build cells in the 4.9mm range. • The only complication with converting back to Natural or Small cell is this need for regression.

  26. Regressing • To regress, cull out empty brood combs and let bees build what they want (or give them 4.9mm foundation)‏ • After they have raised brood on that, repeat the process.

  27. Observations on natural cell size • First there is no one size of cells nor one size of worker brood cells in a hive. Huber’s observations on bigger bees from bigger cells was directly because of this. The bees draw a variety of cell sizes which create a variety of bee sizes. Perhaps these different castes serve the purposes of the hive with more diversity of abilities.

  28. Observations on cell size • The first “generation” of bees from a typical hive (artificially enlarged bees) usually builds about 5.1mm cells for worker brood. This varies a lot, but typically this is the center of the brood nest. Some bees will go smaller faster.

  29. The next generation of bees will build worker brood comb in the range of 4.9mm to 5.1mm with some smaller and some larger. The spacing, if left to these “regressed” bees is typically 32mm or 1 ¼” in the center of the brood nest Observations on Cell Size

  30. The leaf or book hive consists of twelve vertical frames… and their breadth fifteen lines (one line= 1/12 of an inch. 15 lines = 1 ¼”). It is necessary that this last measure should be accurate; François Huber 1806 1 ¼” spacing agrees with Huber’s Observations

  31. Cell Size mm Comb width mm 5.555 22.60 5.375 22.20 5.210 21.80 5.060 21.40 4.925 21.00 4.805 20.60 4.700 20.20 ABC XYZ of Bee Culture 1945 edition Pg 126 Comb Width by Cell SizeAccording to Baudoux

  32. Spacing as close as 30mm in brood area

  33. Workers space comb based on their intended use. Workers perceive the intended use based on spacing. Worker brood area will be 1 ¼” (32mm)‏ Worker mixed with drone to will be 1 3/8” (35mm)‏ Honey storage 1 ½” (38mm) to 2” Comb spacing

  34. 8 hours shorter capping time halves the number of Varroa infesting a brood cell. 8 hours shorter post capping time halves the number of offspring of a Varroa in the brood cell. Pre and Post capping times and Varroa

  35. Capped 9 days after egg layed Emerges 21 days after egg layed Accepted days for capping and Post Capping(based on observing bees on 5.4mm comb)‏

  36. Capped 8 days after egg layed Emerged 18.5 days after egg layed 3(egg)+5(vermicular)+1.5(capping)+3(capped larva)+6(nymph)=18.5 If the day the egg is layed is the first day then this would be half way through the twentieth day. Huber’s Observations on Natural Comb

  37. “The worm of workers passes three days in the egg, five in the vermicular state, and then the bees close up its cell with a wax covering. The worm now begins spinning its cocoon, in which operation thirty-six hours are consumed. In three days, it changes to a nymph, and passes six days in this form. It is only on the twentieth day of its existence, counting from the moment the egg is laid, that it attains the fly state.” FRANCIS HUBER 4 September 1791. Huber’s Observations on Natural Comb

  38. Capped 8 days after layed Emerged 19 days after layed My observations on 4.95mm cell size

  39. Why would I want natural sized cells? • Less Varroa Because: • Capping times shorter by 24 hours • Less Varroa in the cell when it’s capped • Postcapping times shorter by 24 hours • Less Varroa reach maturity and mate by emergence • More chewing out of Varroa

  40. How to get natural sized cells. • Top bar hives. • Make the bars 32mm (1 ¼”) for the brood area • Make the bars 38mm (1 ½”) for the honey area • Foundationless frames. • Make a “comb guide” like Langstroth did (see Langstroth’s Hive and the Honey-Bee” • Also helpful to cut down end bars to 1 ¼” • Blank starter strips • Use a brine soaked board and dip it in wax to make blank sheets. Cut these into ¾” wide strips and put in the frames. • Also helpful to cut down end bars to 1 ¼”

  41. How to get small cells • Use 4.9mm foundation • Use 4.9mm Honey Super Cell (fully drawn)‏ • Use 4.95mm Mann Lake PF100 or PF120 • Use 4.9mm starter strips?

  42. Small Cell Foundation

  43. I have measured a lot of natural drawn combs. I have seen worker brood in the range of 4.6mm to 5.1mm with most in the 4.7 to 4.8 ranges. I have not seen any large areas of 5.4mm cells. So I would have to say: So what are natural sized cells

  44. Based on my measurements of natural worker brood comb: There is nothing UNnatural about 4.9mm worker cells. 5.4mm worker cells are not the norm in a brood nest. Small cell has been adequate for me to have hives that are stable against Varroa mites with no treatments. Conclusion

  45. Contact Michael Bush bees at bushfarms dot com www.bushfarms.com Book: The Practical Beekeeper

  46. Let's assume a short term study (which all of them have been) during the drone rearing time of the year (which all of them have been) and make the assumption for the moment that Dee Lusby's "psuedodrone" theory is true, meaning that with large cell the Varroa often mistake large cell workers for drone cells and therefore infest them more. Then the Varroa in the large cell hives during that time would be less successful because they are in the wrong cells (worker). The Varroa, during that time would be more successful on the small cell because they are in the drone cells. But later in the year this may shift dramatically when, first of all the small cell workers have not taken damage from the Varroa and second of all the drone rearing drops off and the mites have nowhere to go.

  47. "Contradiction is not a sign of falsity, nor the lack of contradiction a sign of truth." --Blaise Pascal • "All models are wrong, but some are useful" --George E.P. Box

  48. "It will be readily appreciated that in the course of many years and daily contact with bees, the professional bee-keeper will of necessity gain a knowledge and insight into the mysterious ways of the honeybee, usually denied to the scientist in the laboratory and the amateur in possession of a few colonies. Indeed, a limited practical experience will inevitably lead to views and conclusions, which are often completely at variance to the findings of a wide practical nature." --Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey, Brother Adam Observations of Beekeepers vs Observations of Scientists

  49. “If it's working for you, you should keep doing it.”--Jennifer Berry “The criteria is easy, it's not about counting mites, it's about survival.”--Dann Purvis Quotes from conversation between Jennifer Berry, Michael Bush, Dann Purvis and others

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