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through suffering, despair?. euripides ’ trojan women 2. Andromache and Astyanax. Agenda. Class Project (cont.) Problem and Approach Recap and Update Euripides: A Different Kind of Tragedy? Tragedy in Performance (pp. 487 ff.) Is Talthybius a monster?. Class Project (cont.).
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through suffering, despair? euripides’ trojanwomen 2 Andromache and Astyanax
Agenda • Class Project (cont.) • Problem and Approach • Recap and Update • Euripides: A Different Kind of Tragedy? • Tragedy in Performance (pp. 487 ff.) • Is Talthybius a monster? euripides trojan women
Class Project (cont.) Problem and Approach
Problem, Approach Approach: Critical Thinking Problem: Universal/Particular Nature of problem?… Questions to ask? My response to tragedy? (feelings, thoughts) Other?... • Studied to learn… • How to think • Not how to pass • Elements? • Grasping problems • And formulating questions?... • Reading evidence • text / subtext • Anything else? • applying what you already know • thinking outside the box • running the tests • things to avoid euripides trojan women
Recap and Update Euripides: A Different Kind of Tragedy?
Analysis • Episode 2 cont. (483) • Spoken: Hecuba, Andromache • Talthybius, Andromache, Astyanax (silent) • Stasimon 2 (491) • 1st destruction of Troy • Episode 3 (493) • Menelaus, Hecuba • Helen, Menelaus, Hecuba • Agon: Helen, Hecuba • Stasimon 3 (501) • Women’s lament • Exodos (503) • Talthybius, Hecuba • Lyric dialogue (kommos): Hecuba, Chorus • Prologue (Signet pp. 460 ff.) • Poseidon, Athena • Lyric monody (464) • Hecuba • Parodos (465) • Choruses in dialogue (kommos) • Episode 1 (468) • Talthybius, Hecuba • Cassandra (lyric monody – frenzied dochmiacs) • Cassandra, Hecuba • Hecuba • Stasimon 1 (480) • Trojan Horse • Episode 2 (481) • Lyric dialogue (kommos): Hecuba, Andromache, Astyanax (silent)
What is Tragic? Previous Euripides’ Trojan Women “Count no one happy till he is dead” (Hec. p. 479) “Fortune is the prey of whims” (Hec. p. 506) “. . . one who falls from happiness to tragedy …” (Andr. p. 484) • Sheer misfortune • Origins, Bacchae • imitation’s power • Plato • imitation’s dangers • Aristotle • imitation’s benefits • Aeschylus-Herington • formula, cycle, suffering, knowledge • Sophoclean pessimism • “Not to be born is best” (OAC) euripides trojan women
Agōn(pp. 494 ff.) — Spectator Sport? Helen’s arguments Hecuba’s arguments Bogus “judgment” Human decision Brazen collaboration • Hecuba’s guilt • as Paris’ mother • Heroic opportunities • Divine compulsion Is that tragic? euripides trojan women
Tragedy in Performance (pp. 487 ff.) Is Talthybius a monster?