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Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

Siler Presbyterian Church glorifies God by inviting all into a relationship with Christ, growing in faith, and serving Christ in the Crossroads. Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads. Why am I not in Sunday School ?.

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Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

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  1. Siler Presbyterian Church glorifies God by inviting all into a relationship with Christ, growing in faith, and serving Christ in the Crossroads. Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  2. Why am I not in Sunday School ? Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  3. On November 8th, the Session of Siler Presbyterian Church voted unanimously to enter: “Presbytery of Charlotte Commitment to Pursuing Reconciliation with Member Churches Seeking Dismissal from the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)” Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  4. What is going to happen …… Monthly Sunday Schools 1. Why has Siler chosen to enter the process?2. What is Presbyterianism?3. Charlotte Presbytery Process 4. How has Siler responded to PCUSA in the past? 5. If dismissed, where are we going?Pending meetings with the Charlotte Presbytery Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  5. Process is established “Presbytery of Charlotte Commitment to Pursuing Reconciliation with Member Churches Seeking Dismissal from the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)” created by the Presbytery of Charlotte in the fall of 2010 Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  6. On November 8th, the Session of Siler Presbyterian Church voted unanimously to enter: “Presbytery of Charlotte Commitment to Pursuing Reconciliation with Member Churches Seeking Dismissal from the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)” Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  7. Discernment Process Appendix A Appendix B Reconciliation Process Dismissal Process CRITICAL Vote Terms Remain in PCUSA Vote Dismissed to a Presbyterian Reformed Body Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  8. FACT: Presbytery of Charlotte controls Siler’s property. “All property held by or for a particular church…....is held in trust nevertheless for the use and benefit of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)” PCUSA Book of Order G-8.0201 Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  9. Discernment Process Form a Discernment Team (4 from Siler and 4 from Presbytery). David Firth Jesse Hite Anita Hill Marjorie Smith Tom Koning Quay Youngblood Joyce Plyler Edward Henegar Moderator: Anne Hilborn Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  10. Discernment Process Form a Discernment Team (4 from Siler and 4 from Presbytery). Orientation Meeting with the Presbytery. February 26th at 4pm at Siler. YOU COUNT ! Schedule 4 Discernment meetings to be held at Siler. YOU COUNT ! BE HEARD ! Thursday March 29th 7-9pm @ Siler ✔ ✔ Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  11. Discernment Process Form a Discernment Team (4 from Siler and 4 from Presbytery). Orientation Meeting with the Presbytery. February 26th at 4pm at Siler. YOU COUNT ! Schedule 4 Discernment Meetings to be held at Siler. YOU COUNT ! Discernment Team writes report to the Presbytery to recommend reconciliation or dismissal. ✔ ✔ Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  12. Discernment Process Form a Discernment Team (4 from Siler and 4 from Presbytery). Orientation Meeting with the Presbytery. February 26th at 4pm at Siler. YOU COUNT ! Schedule 4 Discernment Meetings to be held at Siler. YOU COUNT ! Discernment Team writes report to the Presbytery to recommend reconciliation or dismissal. If Siler is still called to be dismissed from PCUSA, we enter “Process of Seeking Dismissal to another Reformed Body” Appendix A YOU COUNT ! ✔ ✔ Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  13. Discernment Process Form a Discernment Team (4 from Siler and 4 from Presbytery). Orientation Meeting with the Presbytery. February 26th at 4pm at Siler. YOU COUNT ! Schedule 4 Discernment Meetings to be held at Siler. YOU COUNT ! Discernment Team writes report to the Presbytery to recommend reconciliation or dismissal. If Siler is called to be dismissed from PCUSA, we enter “Process of Seeking Dismissal to another Reformed Body” Appendix A YOU COUNT ! Or if Siler is called to remain in the PCUSA, we enter “Restoration of Fellowship and Recommitment” Appendix B YOU COUNT ! ✔ ✔ Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  14. Discernment Process Form a Discernment Team (4 from Siler and 4 from Presbytery). Orientation Meeting with the Presbytery. February 26th at 4pm at Siler. YOU COUNT ! Schedule 4 Discernment Meetings to be held at Siler. YOU COUNT ! Discernment Team writes report to the Presbytery to recommend reconciliation or dismissal. If Siler is called to be dismissed from PCUSA, we enter “Process of Seeking Dismissal to another Reformed Body” Appendix A YOU COUNT !Or if Siler is called to remain in the PCUSA, we enter “Restoration of Fellowship and Recommitment” Appendix B YOU COUNT ! Let’s review remaining in PCUSA first – Appendix B ✔ ✔ Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  15. APPENDIX B – Staying in PCUSAGuidelines for Restoration of Fellowship and Recommitment to Presbytery-Congregational RelationshipIn hope that God leads those involved to seek a restored fellowship and a recommitment to the presbytery-congregational relationship, the following are presented as minimal guidelines for marking and sealing that recommitment:1. Conducting a public service of worship and recommitment to shared fellowship and ministry, with participation from presbytery and congregation.2. Sharing of story and testimony from members of the discernment team and congregation at the congregational and presbytery level (and beyond, if appropriate).3. Blessing and commissioning of any minority that leaves the local congregation (to the extent possible), in the hope of maintaining bonds of peace. Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  16. Discernment Process Form a Discernment Team (4 from Siler and 4 from Presbytery). Orientation Meeting with the Presbytery. February 26th at 4pm at Siler. YOU COUNT ! Schedule 4 Discernment Meetings to be held at Siler. YOU COUNT ! Discernment Team writes report to the Presbytery to recommend reconciliation or dismissal. If Siler is called to be dismissed from PCUSA, we enter “Process of Seeking Dismissal to another Reformed Body” Appendix A YOU COUNT !Or if Siler is called to remain in the PCUSA, we enter “Restoration of Fellowship and Recommitment” Appendix B YOU COUNT ! Now let’s review being dismissed from PCUSA – Appendix A ✔ ✔ Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  17. APPENDIX A Process of Seeking Dismissal to another Reformed Body • Congregational Meeting is called. • YOU COUNT ! Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  18. APPENDIX A Process of Seeking Dismissal to another Reformed Body • Congregational Meeting is called. YOU COUNT ! • One half of our “active membership”must attend to be a quorum. • YOU COUNT! Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  19. APPENDIX A Process of Seeking Dismissal to another Reformed Body • Congregational Meeting is called. YOU COUNT ! • 1/2 of our “active membership” must attend for a quorum. YOU COUNT! • VOTE - Active members, IN ATTENDANCE, will vote, by written ballot, on motion for dismissal from PCUSA. • YOU COUNT ! Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  20. APPENDIX A Process of Seeking Dismissal to another Reformed Body • Congregational Meeting is called. YOU COUNT ! • 1/2 of our “active membership” must attend for a quorum. YOU COUNT! • VOTE - Active members in attendance will vote, by written ballot, on motion for dismissal from PCUSA. YOU COUNT ! • RESULTS -There are 2 potential results of the vote: Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  21. APPENDIX A Process of Seeking Dismissal to another Reformed Body • Congregational Meeting is called. YOU COUNT ! • 1/2 of our “active membership” must attend for a quorum. YOU COUNT! • VOTE - Active members in attendance will vote, by written ballot, on motion for dismissal from PCUSA. YOU COUNT ! • 4. RESULTS -There are 2 potential results of the vote: • Less than 66.7% vote for dismissal. • -Motion for dismissal fails • -Siler remains in the PCUSA Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  22. APPENDIX A Process of Seeking Dismissal to another Reformed Body • Congregational Meeting is called. YOU COUNT ! • 1/2 of our “active membership” must attend for a quorum. YOU COUNT! • VOTE- Active members in attendance will vote, by written ballot, on motion for dismissal from PCUSA. YOU COUNT ! • 4. RESULTS - There are 2 potential results of the vote: • Less than 66.7% vote for dismissal. • -Motion for dismissal fails • -Siler remains in the PCUSA • B.More than 66.7% vote for dismissal. • -Motion for dismissal passes • -Presbytery council will negotiate terms for dismissal($$) Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  23. B. More than 66.7% vote for dismissal. -Motion for dismissal passes -Presbytery council will negotiate terms for dismissal ($) What does this mean?: If more than 90% of those present and voting vote for dismissal, the presbytery shall agree to the dismissal, permitting the congregation to depart with all of its property intact. LOVE OFFERING If the majority percentage is between 66.7% and 90%, then the congregation and the council shall work to determine a fair money and/or property amount to be given to presbytery, in order for the congregation to depart with its property. ✔ ✗ Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  24. Hypothetical voting Active Members: 454 Votes needed for a quorum: 227 Votes needed to be dismissed: 152 (>67%) Votes needed to take property w/o payments: 205 (>90%) “YOU COUNT !!!!!!” Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  25. “I get it, but what could a vote of less than 90% cost us?” No one knows yet. It is negotiated. One possibility is we get a percentage of the property equal to our vote percentage. If 80% vote to leave then we must pay 20% of the value of our property. If appraisal is $5,000,000 We must pay $1,000,000 Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  26. APPENDIX A Process of Seeking Dismissal to another Reformed Body • Congregational Meeting is called. YOU COUNT ! • 1/2 of our “active membership” must attend for a quorum. YOU COUNT! • VOTE - Active members in attendance will vote, by written ballot, on motion for dismissal from PCUSA. YOU COUNT ! • 4. RESULTS - There are 2 potential results of the vote: • A. Less than 66.7% vote for dismissal. • -Motion for dismissal fails • -Siler remains in the PCUSA • B. More than 66.7% vote for dismissal. • -Motion for dismissal passes • -Presbytery will negotiate terms for dismissal ($) • 5. Presbytery will bring back terms for dismissal for congregational vote. Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  27. APPENDIX A Process of Seeking Dismissal to another Reformed Body • Congregational Meeting is called. YOU COUNT ! • 1/2 of our “active membership” must attend for a quorum. YOU COUNT! • VOTE - Active members in attendance will vote, by written ballot, on motion for dismissal from PCUSA. YOU COUNT ! • 4. RESULTS - There are 2 potential results of the vote: • A. Less than 66.7% vote for dismissal. • -Motion for dismissal fails • -Siler remains in the PCUSA • B. More than 66.7% vote for dismissal. • -Motion for dismissal passes • -Presbytery will negotiate terms for dismissal ($) • 5. Presbytery will bring back terms for dismissal for congregational vote. • 6. Congregational vote of >66% to accept. YOU COUNT !! Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  28. Discernment Process Appendix A Appendix B Reconciliation Process Dismissal Process CRITICAL Vote Terms Remain in PCUSA Vote Dismissed to a Presbyterian Reformed Body Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  29. Your turn……. Do you have any questions about the process with the Presbytery of Charlotte? Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  30. How can I participate? Become more informed – www.silerchurch.orgAsk Questions/Share with your SessionInvite the Denominational Committee to your Sunday School class.Attend these monthly sessions & the meetings with the Charlotte Presbytery.Pray for guidance Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

  31. How can I participate? ATTEND: Meeting of Discernment Team – March 29th at 7PM at Siler.YOU COUNT !!ATTEND: Next Joint Sunday School“How has Siler responded in the past?”STRAW VOTE !! Siler Presbyterian Church - Serving Christ in the Crossroads

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