Common Illogical Decisions

1. Common Illogical Decisions Daniel Rauch, MD, FAAP, FHM Associate Professor of Pediatrics Mount Sinai School of Medicine Associate Director of Pediatrics Elmhurst Hospital Center

2. Case 1 4yo boy with CC of fever, HA, lethargy, and vomiting (ie. He�s sick). HPI: well until yesterday when had tactile temp, dec PO, dec active, went to sleep early, woke up and then back to sleep and now difficult to arouse, previously well, no trauma PE sig for T 103� HR 170 RR 28 BP 85/56, ill appearing, lethargic, meningismus

3. Case 1 DD � Meningitis at top of list Plan � LP + other tests then lots of antibiotics But, someone suggests that he needs a head CT prior to LP in case of high ICP and possible herniation during LP so off he goes to radiology

4. CT � Really? Herniation risks Rennick G et al. Cerebral herniation during bacterial meningitis in children. BMJ 1993; 306(6883):953-5 The temporal relation between lumbar puncture and herniation strongly suggests that a lumbar puncture may cause herniation in some patients, and normal results on computed tomography do not mean that it is safe to do a lumbar puncture in a child with bacterial meningitis. Shetty AK et al. Fatal cerebral herniation after lumbar puncture in a patient with a normal computed tomography scan. Pediatrics 1999; 103:1284-7.

5. Maybe too sick for LP? When the OP is very high, just enough fluid (usually 2�to 4�mL) should be removed to permit a careful examination The use of a small bore needle (21-�or 22-gauge) is recommended whenever there is concern about increased ICP to minimize the CSF leak from the LP site. Joffe AR. Lumbar Puncture and Brain Herniation in Acute Bacterial Meningitis: A Review. J Int Care Med 2007; 22:194-207 The risk of not doing an LP when it is considered contraindicated because of concern of the risk of herniation is very small. Van Crevel H et al. Lumbar puncture and the risk of herniation: when should we first perform CT? J Neurol 2002; 249 : 129�137 Of course CT should be preceded by obtaining blood cultures and starting antibiotic treatment without delay

6. What if LP not done before abx? Kanegaye JT et al. Lumbar Puncture in Pediatric Bacterial Meningitis: Defining the Time Interval for Recovery of Cerebrospinal Fluid Pathogens After Parenteral Antibiotic Pretreatment. Pediatrics 2001;108;1169-1174 complete sterilization of meningococcus within 2 hours and the beginning of sterilization of pneumococcus by 4 hours into therapy

7. Case 2 4yo boy with hx of RAD presents with 3d URI sx, 2d fever, 2d cough, today with post-tussive emesis PE sig for RR 32, 1+ wheeze, 1+ retractions, good air movement, rhonchi at bases R>L, POX RA 93% CXR done because of fever and resp sx sig for atelectasis R base Still in mild resp distress after 3 albuterol/atrovent and PO steroids so given Ceftriaxone and admitted with dx of Asthmonia

8. Why CXR? Pneumonia is a clinical dx Hypoxia unusual in �mild� pneumonia Hypoxia results from V/Q mismatch � need a large amount of lung involvement CXR NOT helpful in differentiating bacterial vs viral CXR known to �lag� behind clinical sx CXR of asthma can look like pneumonia CXR not recommended for routine assessment of asthma - NHLBI guidelines

9. Asthma vs Pneumonia Wheeze � TRUE musical sounds � suggestive of NOT classic bacterial etiology RAD, viral, or mycoplasma BTS Guidelines for the Management of Community Acquired Pneumonia in Childhood. Thorax 2002;57(Suppl. 1)1�24. Ruuskanen O, Mertsola J. Childhood community-acquired pneumonia. Semin Respir Infect 1999;14:163�72. The co-incidence of asthma and pneumococcal pneumonia is exceedingly small

10. Treatment � Cefakillall First line abx for CAP in children is high-dose Amoxicillin T. Hazir et al. Ambulatory short-course high-dose oral amoxicillin for treatment of severe pneumonia in children: a randomised equivalency trial, The Lancet 2008; 371: 49-56 Cephalosporins, 2nd then 3rd generation commonly used from prior to Hib vaccine True pneumococcal resistance still rare Intermediate resistance common � a lab designation and not clinically relevant Steroids???

11. Case 3 2yo boy presents with Diarrhea and vomiting for 2 days, decreased urine output. Parents tried ginger ale. During 2-hour wait more vomiting. IV fluids ordered upon assessment; IV takes 3 attempts and vomits during attempts, Chem 7 drawn: BUN 15, Creat .8, HCO3 12 Admitted to hospital 5 hours post-arrival for dehydration, low bicarb, and failed PO Made NPO overnight and continued on IVF

12. Dehydration assessment

13. Dehydration Scores Gorelick MH et al. Validity and Reliability of Clinical Signs in the Diagnosis of Dehydration in ChildrenPediatrics 1997; 99: e6 0=no dehydration 1=mild dehydration 2=mod dehydration 3-4=severe dehydration

14. Dehydration Scores Goldman RD et al. Validation of the Clinical Dehydration Scale for Children With Acute Gastroenteritis. Pediatrics 2008, 122;545-549 0=no dehydration 1-4=mild dehydration 5-8=mod/severe dehydration

15. Labs? AAP, CDC, and ACEP guidelines agree that routine laboratory testing does not contribute to the assessment of hydration in children with uncomplicated gastroenteritis AAP and CDC endorsed: King CK et al. MMWR Recomm Rep. 2003;52:1-16 www.cdc.gov.mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5216al.htm ACEP. The Management of Children with Gastroenteritis and Dehydration in the Emergency Department. J Emerg Med 2010; 38: 686-96 No single laboratory value has been found to be accurate in predicting the degree of dehydration and this is not routinely recommended.

16. ORT vs IVF Oral Rehydration Therapy First choice for mild-to-moderate dehydration Physiologic Improved parent satisfaction Simple, noninvasive, low cost Requires less time and fewer resources than IVRT Avoids need for catheter placement and potential complications associated with IVRT Can be administered in any setting NOT for severe dehydration Atherly-John YC et al. Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2002;156:1240- 1243 Spandorfer PR et al. Pediatrics. 2005;115:295-301

17. NPO and IVF? NPO for AGE � why? ORT� Cincinnati AGE guidelines 2006 It is recommended that refeeding of the usual diet be started at the earliest opportunity after an adequate degree of rehydration is achieved � not BRAT, not dairy-free IVF Rehydration over 24 hrs (48 for hypernatremia) Vs evidence of iatrogenic hyponatremia Moritz ML, Ayas JC. Prevention of Hospital-Acquired Hyponatremia: A Case for Using Isotonic Saline. Pediarics 2003; 111: 227-30

18. Case 4 2 yo girl with CC of increasing neck mass despite oral Augmentin. Sx started 5d ago with URI sx and sore throat, 3d PTA pt noted with fever and L neck swelling, seen by PMD where rapid strep was neg, no tx given, following day neck mass increased so started on PO Augmentin, mom filled rx yesterday morning, pt has taken 2 doses and still with fever and neck mass so admitted for failure of PO to start Unasyn PE sig for VSS, T 101, well appearing other than L high ant cerv mass 3x4cm, warm, tender, red, firm. Pt able to take PO well

19. Oral vs PO �The bacteria don�t know how the antibiotics got there� PO vs IV for UTI, Osteo, CAP, cellulitis Dependent on illness severity, bacterial coverage, and bioavailability

20. What is �Failure of PO�? Assume no findings suggestive of malignancy � rare in acute presentation of cervical lymphadenitis Natural history is up to 2 weeks No evidence of clinical resolution within 24-48 hrs of any antibiotics, although some improvement likely May progress to drainage � spontaneous or surgical � regardless of treatment Leung AKC et al. Cervical Lymphadenitis: Etiology, Diagnosis, and Management. Curr Infect Dis Reports 2009; 11:183-9 Gosche JR et al. Acute, subacute, and chronic cervical lymphadenitis in children. Sem in Ped Surg 2006; 15: 99-106