IDSE Association cordially welcomes Lt. Gen. Jatinder Sikand, VSM, ADC

1. IDSE Association cordially welcomes Lt. Gen. Jatinder Sikand, VSM, ADC 12th November 2013

2. Agenda 1 Why are we here today? 2 Key Issues & Proposed Redressal 3 Support Sought

3. Why are we here today? • Objective of the meeting • Heart to heart talk : examination of facts • Much like a doctor-patient conversation • Confide in the Head of the family • Address the issue of growth of Civilian Officers • - Presently dependant on Army • Address organization's concerns • Working arrangement in CE Zones • Amendment of SRO-92 • -Designations in CCEs • Expected mutually acceptable outcome • Quash the trust deficit among the 2 divisions of the family (as highlighted by the recent incident)

4. Agenda 1 Why are we here today? 2 Key Issues & Proposed Redressal 3 Support Sought

5. Cadre review Channel of DPC Proposal Implementation of 3rd Cadre review with due urgency in a time bound manner, without any requirement of revision of Estt. Sanction Model DPC Calendar be followed religiously to avoid extensive delays D(Vig) D(Lab) D (Appts) MoD Wks II JS (E) UPSC 30 days 30 days 60 days 70 days MoD (RM) 30-90 days ACC MoD D (Appts) MoD RM • Cadre review sanction for all practical purposes is revised Estt. Sanction • What is left is manning proposal for new posts which should have no linkage to DPC demand and may be obtained in the intervening time Posting order

6. Re- designation of Civilian Officers Issue Proposed Redressal • Director  SO1 • Posting order, Name plate ,Signature block (Not recognized!) • Delay in implementation of Establishment Sanction • Functional requirement • Duties, in no way different from Col (Director) • Court Cases • Uniform designation • Like Executive Appt • Will also solve issues related to Establishment Sanction and COR • Col & SE both to be posted as Directors in CE Zones I I 2 • SE  Col • Equal Grade Pay • Different appointments being held by Col & SE in executive and staff appointments • Similar up-gradations not provided to SE (SG) • V CPC gave S.G. to all SEs • All court cases decided in favour of SEs • Various orders of Ministry in favour of SEs • Ground situation : No SE reporting to Col 2

7. Establishment Sanction Issue Proposed Redressal • Utter disregard to MES Establishment Sanction of 2008, issued based on Presidential order of 2003 • E2W (PPC) continues to follow the no-longer valid Estt sanction issued in 2002, mentioning old designations of MES CGOs • Major source of functional problems • Root cause of day-to-day conflicts • Implementation of Establishment Sanction of 2008 in letter & spirit • IDSE Officers be part of deliberation on revision of Establishment Sanction

8. Channel of Reporting (COR) • Various issues in COR of SEs • Hundreds of representations in MIS • MIS work-load will be drastically reduced if problem is resolved Issue Proposed redressal COR, instead of being reinforced in its present form, deserves cancellation and needs fresh drafting and approval from cadre controlling authority, post incorporation of Govt orders/re-designations of MES CGOs

9. Deputation Policy : Utilization of Ex cadre Vacancy “Facts betray perception” • Allow officers on deputation within approved limit • Liberal detailment of MES officers on courses like NDC, HDMC, DSCC, APPPA, MBA, M Tech

10. Deputation : Need to improve efficiencyof Cadre Management Section

11. Sharing of Appointments Unequal ratio between Civilian & Service Officers in executive posts 1 Proposal • Alternate tenure allotment • Post of ADGs/Directors may also be covered in rotation of appointments • Posts earmarked for IDSE Offr not to be transferred • IDSE Offr in offg arrangement to be posted • IDSE officers be involved in decision-making Unfair interchanging of posts 2 • Interchange between posts being done arbitrarily and is not fair. Good stations transferred from Civilian post to Services post • e.g. CE Zone : Delhi Cantt, Jaipur, R&D Secunderabad • CsWE: Bangalore (AF) South & North, Secuderabad (AF), Kirkee, Mumbai (Navy) • GEs appointments are also transferred arbitrarily

12. Accretion of posts for MAP & CCE • E2W (PPC) unilaterally proposing new setups viz. CCEs • Based on already failed model of MAP; need to re-look MAP/CCE model • Adverse effects on efficiency of MES organization • To deliver same results with depleted strength • Deprivation of growth opportunities for already stagnant cadres • To cope with ever increasing workload, create additional CE Zones/CsWE/GEs • Already sanctioned posts of CsWE (134 No.) and GEs (426 No.) should be activated • Large no. of infra projects & high W/L in a few zones makes a strong case for creation of CE zones • However, CAP on strength of Corps of Engg. dependant on entire Army & not W/L of MES • Establishment apprehensive of creating more zones so as to keep in check # of Civilian CEs & ratio between Brig & Civ. Officers • Strongly recommended to invoke provision of para 22 of RMES for new projects (CCEs, MAP....) • “… A Chief Engineer may, in special cases be appointed for large projects which cannot conveniently be handled by the Chief Engineer of Command” • CE (P) will cease to exist after completion of project • - Ratio between Service & Civ offrs will not be disturbed • Should be treated as ex-cadre or accretion posts

13. Other issues & Proposed Redressal (1/4) • Posting of DG (Pers) • It is re-iterated to remove the post of DG from the list of sensitive posts and resolve the issue at the earliest • 4th Cadre Review • Work-load norms • Time taken in sanction of CR is very long • Requested that the proposal for the 4th cadre review based on work-load be initiated at the earliest • Involvement of Senior IDSE Officer in Works Policy matters • Jt. DG (RTI & Legal) • Presently no involvement of Senior IDSE officers in works policy formulation & implementation • e.g. creation of MAP & CCEs • Uniform designation in Staff Appointments & postings in CCE • Uniform designations are followed in executive appointments : same should be the case in staff appointments & CCE/MAP also • e.g. Director (Project) CCE Dinjan; CWE (CCE) Dinjan

14. Other issues & Proposed Redressal (2/4) • Irregular posting of service officers as SEI/SO1 (P&L) • It is requested that these appointments (which are exclusively sanctioned for IDSE • officers) be reverted to the cadre officers • Revision of SRO 19E • Published in 1989 • Distribution of senior level posts heavily loaded towards service officers • We are lagging behind our counterparts in other departments & even within the MES • Architecture : 20%, Surveyor : 25%, Engineers : 50%, B/S & Administration : 33 1/3 % • Sharing of CE Command appointments should be 50:50 between service and civilian officers • >90% work load MES • Matters related to combat/troops may be handled by service officer posted in Command HQ

15. Other issues & Proposed Redressal (3/4) • Rules for induction of Service Officers in MES • Comprehensive rules for induction of service officers with definite EQs & DQs • - Non qualified officers were posted to important projects • e.g. Architect posted as GE for work of Runway Resurfacing at Leh; Air Force Station in Bamrauli; Car Nicobar • Due to strict ACR norms, very high % superseded, de-motivated • Transfer of MIS (Civ) to DG (Pers) • Portion of MIS (Civ) dealing with MES CGOs be transferred to DG (Pers) • Strict implementation of National Litigation Policy

16. Other issues & Proposed Redressal (4/4) • Ensuring organizational interests • Equivalency issue needs to be addressed • Merit-based postings in important projects, not on the basis of IDSE/Service Officers e.g. DG MAP • Amendment of SRO 92 • SRO 92 is statutory document enforceable by law • We are open to amendment of SRO 92 • Till amendment materializes, our suggestions are as follows: • - Send officers > 45 years only on volunteer basis, as per SRO • Sufficient officers < 45 years with rich experience shall be available to take up appointments in CCEs • if incentivized adequately • - Post SEs having done CWE as CCE • - Post EESG having done GE as CWE (CCE)/Director (CCE) in one up appointment • - 1st choice posting on re-patriation

17. Working arrangement in CE Zones : Option 1 Chief Engineer • SEs & Col shall be posted as Dir. • - Uniform designations of Dir/Jt Dir/Dy Dir etc.should be followed for Service & Civ Offrs • Col(TS)/ Lt Col shall report to Dir. • Dir (Plg & Coord) will Co-ordinate all Plg activities of Wks Viz Plg, Design, E/M, E6 & E8 (Pre contract Stage) • CE will be Initiating officer (IO) for ACR of all the Directors Dir (Plg & Coord) Dir (Wks & Bud) Dir (Pers & Legal) Dir Design Dir E/M & Resources Dir (Cont) Dir (Arch)

18. Working arrangement in CE Zones : Option 2 Chief Engineer Dir (Plg & Coord) Dir (Wks & Bud) Dir (Pers & Legal) Dir (Arch) Dir (Cont) Dir Design Dir E/M & Resources • SEs & Cols shall be posted as Dir. • - Uniform designations of Dir/Jt Dir/Dy Dir etc.should be followed for Service/Civ offrs • Col(TS)/ Lt Col shall report to Dir. • Dir (Plg& Coord) will coordinate all plg activities of wks of plg, Design & E/M. • CE will be Initiating officer (IO) for ACR of all the Directors

19. Agenda 1 Why are we here today? 2 Key Issues & proposed redressal 3 Support Sought

20. Support sought Spirit Action • CBM required to bridge Trust Deficit • Generation of confidence among Civilian Officers that their interests are looked after& they receive equal attention from the head of the family • Off-set current perception of being treated as cheap/bonded labor or step-offspring • Arresting misuse of ‘Concerns regarding dilution of Military Character’ • - 2 I/C concept cannot influence Military Character • Removal of minor irritants • Equivalency: why not in MES? • Well defined officiating orders in Zones/CWE/GE • Posting as SO1 • ACRs – R&D formations • Fair decisions with regards to allocation of good stations • Re-visit purpose of taking up same agenda points • with Army Commander repeatedly • Examine need for seeking comments from CEs only a few days before conference • Perceived as intended towards vitiating the atmosphere • Deploy-ability of Sr IDSE officers • (“As away from Delhi as possible!!”) • Functional arrangement in zones : CE Zones were • always dealing with SO1 directly

21. “ ....Where….the head is held high …Where the world has not been broken up into fragmentsBy narrow domestic walls ….Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its wayInto the dreary desert sand of dead habit….Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake” - Pt. Rabindranath Tagore (‘Where The Mind Is Without Fear’)

22. Version 2. Please delete whichever version you do not like Where The Mind Is Without Fear • Where The Mind Is Without Fear • Where the mind is without fear and the head is held highWhere knowledge is freeWhere the world has not been broken up into fragmentsBy narrow domestic wallsWhere words come out from the depth of truthWhere tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfectionWhere the clear stream of reason has not lost its wayInto the dreary desert sand of dead habitWhere the mind is led forward by theeInto ever-widening thought and actionInto that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake • - Pt. Rabindranath Tagore