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. Dinner Meeting AgendaJoint Propulsion Conference, Cincinnati, OH. July 9, 2007. . . . . . Air Breathing Propulsion Technical CommitteeTC General MeetingJoint Propulsion Conference, July 9 2007Opening Remarks
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1. Meeting was called to order @ 19:00 by Chairperson Dr. Lance Chenault
Meeting was called to order @ 19:00 by Chairperson Dr. Lance Chenault
4. All members briefly introduced themselves and what organization they are from.
Ms. Betty Guillie distributed leather travel organizers to all in attendance. She also mentioned that she still had 75th anniversary coffee mugs and some AIAA TC shirts available while quantities lasted.
All members briefly introduced themselves and what organization they are from.
Ms. Betty Guillie distributed leather travel organizers to all in attendance. She also mentioned that she still had 75th anniversary coffee mugs and some AIAA TC shirts available while quantities lasted.
5. Dr. Ashwani Gupta was elected the new Director – Propulsion and EnergyDr. Ashwani Gupta was elected the new Director – Propulsion and Energy
7. Dinner meeting attendees attached aboveDinner meeting attendees attached above
8. Dr. Lance Chenault provided highlights from SC meetingDr. Lance Chenault provided highlights from SC meeting
9. ABP TC Steering Committee Meeting
13. Outgoing Members 2006
14. 3 New Members For 2007 This years new members were introduced to the CommitteeThis years new members were introduced to the Committee
15. Subcommittee Assignments For New Members Notional assignments for the new members, subject to revision due to outcome of expansion voteNotional assignments for the new members, subject to revision due to outcome of expansion vote
17. Ways To Get & Stay Involved Work Through Subcommittee Chairs & Conference Organizers; Many Opportunities To Volunteer
Awards/Competitions To Judge
Technical Session Support At Conferences
Contribute To Web Site, Annual Newsletter, & Highlights Article Development
Numerous Requests For Help Via Email
Perform As TC Officer
Maintain Membership In AIAA; Pursue Membership Advances (Sr. Member, Associate Fellow, etc.)
Take Advantage Of Local AIAA Activities
18. Communication Methods Semi-Annual Meetings
Other Meetings As Appropriate
Email
Phone Calls
Web Page
AIAA: www.aiaa.org
ABP TC: www.aiaa.org/tc/abp/index.html
Intra-Meeting Telecons
21. Communications Subcommittee Report 2007 JPC
22. Agenda SC Administration
Roll Call
Website
Newsletter
Year in Review Highlights
Minutes
23. Communication SC Membership Thomas Kaemming announced his intention to rotate off as Communications SC lead. Mr. Jeffrey Herbon has agreed to step in as new lead.
Suggestion was made to contact members that list Air Breathing Propulsion as an area of interest for possible membership in APBTC.Thomas Kaemming announced his intention to rotate off as Communications SC lead. Mr. Jeffrey Herbon has agreed to step in as new lead.
Suggestion was made to contact members that list Air Breathing Propulsion as an area of interest for possible membership in APBTC.
24. Website Post Minutes Jan/July
Post Newsletter June
Post Highlights Article Dec
Periodic Review Quarterly Tom emphasized the need to update the website with more new content along with Members Bios.Tom emphasized the need to update the website with more new content along with Members Bios.
25. Yearly Activities Schedule
26. Newsletter 2007 Created by Ray Best – Thank You!
Objective: Raise ABPTC Awareness within AIAA Conference Attendees
Publicize Award
Publicize ABPTC Functions
200 Copies Printed in ‘06
70 Distributed at ’06 JPC (including ABPTC)
Less than ˝ Distributed at JPC & ASM
Is Newsletter Serving Its Purpose?
Mr. Ray Best created the newsletter this year, Thank you very much. Some discussion ensued about whether the Newsletter is serving it’s purpose effectively. It may be time to consider other formats for the Newsletter like mini CD’s or online only, etc. No decision was taken.Mr. Ray Best created the newsletter this year, Thank you very much. Some discussion ensued about whether the Newsletter is serving it’s purpose effectively. It may be time to consider other formats for the Newsletter like mini CD’s or online only, etc. No decision was taken.
27. Newsletter Assign Lead ASM
Solicit Feature Article(s) ASM
Solicit SC Inputs March
Articles Due Early May
Page Makeup Early May
Review May
Submit to AIAA for Printing Early June
Electronic Distribution to TC June
Post on Website June
Distribute at JPC July
Distribute at ASM January
Mr. Wendel Wainright has agreed to create next years Newsletter.Mr. Wendel Wainright has agreed to create next years Newsletter.
28. Yearly Activities Schedule
29. Highlights 2006 Hermann Scheugenpflug, Takeshi Kanda, Tom Kaemming
THANK YOU
Assign lead
Europe & Asia Contributors
Deadline – Early September Mr. Jeffrey Herbon to assume lead for 2007 Year in Review article for Aerospace America.Mr. Jeffrey Herbon to assume lead for 2007 Year in Review article for Aerospace America.
30. ’06 Approach Worked Well Actively Start NLT JPC
Lead
Europe
Asia
Solicit Topics And Points-of-Contact from All TC Members
Solicit Gov’t/Industry Inputs Via Public Affairs/Business Development
“Free Publicity”
31. Highlights Assign Lead ASM
Reaffirm Lead JPC
Solicit European & Asian Contact JPC
Solicit Technical Discipline Inputs JPC
Lead Initiate AIAA Contact July
Solicit Gov’t/Academia/Industry Inputs late July
Articles Due Mid August
Assemble/Edit/Review Late August
Due to AIAA Early Sept
Review AIAA Page Makeup Oct/Nov
Post on Website Dec
32. Yearly Activities Schedule
33. Meeting Minutes Obtain Meeting Presentations immediately before TC Meeting
Write in the PowerPoint notes page any pertinent information
Deliver meeting minutes to Website lead
34. Yearly Activities Schedule
35. Assignments Hermann – Europe Highlights
Takeshi – Asia Highlights ?
Highlights – Jeff
Minutes – Jeff
Website Update – Steve Gorrell
36. Mr. Dan Jenson announced that he will be stepping down his lead and Mr. Sivaram Gogineni will be taking over for him following this meeting.Mr. Dan Jenson announced that he will be stepping down his lead and Mr. Sivaram Gogineni will be taking over for him following this meeting.
37. Air Breathing Propulsion Technical CommitteeHonors & Awards Subcommittee July 9, 2007
38. 2007 ABP Honors & Awards Subcommittee Roster
39. Honors & Awards Subcommittee Charter Air Breathing Propulsion Award
Dan Jensen, Lead
Gordon C. Oates Graduate Award
Rob Bruckner, Lead
ABP Best Paper Award
John Rockensies, Lead
Other AIAA Awards On Occasion
Chairman’s Award
Additionally the Honors & Awards Subcommittee will work closely with the Membership Subcommittee to recognize outstanding performance within the TC and support Membership Upgrades.
The Fred Billig award to be presented at the next HyTASP Conference. Ms. Rebecca Shupe is this years recipient of the Gordon C. Oates award. January 31st is submission deadline. The current online nomination process @ AIAA has driven multiple awards for a student, need to work with AIAA to tighten the rules somewhat. Best paper award AIAA 2007-1251 presented on Wednesday, it was not correct in the current newsletter. If we vote to expand each TC to have it’s own best paper award. Lance proposes an invited session for best paper award winners in the future rather than presenting to the full TC. (many agreed)
Motion for Brian Rowe Memorial Lecture, JPC 5:30 presentation – special invited presentation endorsement Brian Rowe Memorial Lecture award like a Dryden Distinguished Lecture. Need to petition AIAA for an award like this. We could implement possibly by JPC08. Could be part of a Session that would include this lecture, APB award winner, Design competition winner and best paper award winners all together.The Fred Billig award to be presented at the next HyTASP Conference. Ms. Rebecca Shupe is this years recipient of the Gordon C. Oates award. January 31st is submission deadline. The current online nomination process @ AIAA has driven multiple awards for a student, need to work with AIAA to tighten the rules somewhat. Best paper award AIAA 2007-1251 presented on Wednesday, it was not correct in the current newsletter. If we vote to expand each TC to have it’s own best paper award. Lance proposes an invited session for best paper award winners in the future rather than presenting to the full TC. (many agreed)
Motion for Brian Rowe Memorial Lecture, JPC 5:30 presentation – special invited presentation endorsement Brian Rowe Memorial Lecture award like a Dryden Distinguished Lecture. Need to petition AIAA for an award like this. We could implement possibly by JPC08. Could be part of a Session that would include this lecture, APB award winner, Design competition winner and best paper award winners all together.
40. Air Breathing Propulsion Award
41. ABP Award Past Recipients
42. Gordon C. Oates Graduate Award
43. ABP Best Paper Award
44. 2007 ABP Awards Timeline
45. Go-Forward Plan Honors and Awards is in solid shape, with established processes in place and working well
ABP Award – now in compliance with new AIAA policy, and nominations at a recent high (Thank You to all who have helped!)
Gordon Oates Graduate Award – online process has helped facilitate judging
Best Paper – structured evaluation process established by John Rockensies in place and effective
Challenges remain for the future
Many key subcommittee members (including “Award Leads” are stepping down or moving on
ABP Award process may need some further refinement to achieve TC and AIAA goals
Candidate pool for Gordon Oates award needs to be strengthened, and AIAA may need to tighten rules on letters of recommendation from faculty
Best Paper process is challenged by diversity of specialties within our TC – proposed expansion would help this situation
More nominations for ABP Award due by 31 October - ABP Committee Needs To Help Publicize Awards Throughout Aerospace Community
ASM and JPC papers nominated for the Best Paper award are encouraged to submit to the Journal of Propulsion and Power.
Other ABPTC members interested in helping as a reviewer should contact Sivaram Gogineni.
Thank you for your help and support during the time that I have served as ABPTC Honors & Awards subcommittee chair!
46. Dr. Rick Gaeta provided the Education SC report for Dr. Jessica Townsend, who could not be present.Dr. Rick Gaeta provided the Education SC report for Dr. Jessica Townsend, who could not be present.
47. Agenda
Design Competitions
Current Status
New Approaches
K-12 Outreach
New Short Course Ideas
Discussion of initial transition plan for Education Subcommittee should reorganization go forward
48. Engine Design CompetitionCurrent Status 2006 – 2007 (Lead: Jessica Townsend)
“Air Breathing Propulsion System for an Uninhabited, Limited Life Mach 3 Vehicle”
Three entries (Cal Poly SLO, SUNY Buffalo, U. Cinn)
Judging is underway (thank you, judges!)
2007 – 2008 (Lead: Rick Gaeta)
"An Improved Turboshaft Engine for the Apache Longbow Scout/Attack Helicopter"
Ian Halliwell is writing RFP; Modify baseline turboshaft engine; perhaps highlight active stall control….. The 2006-2007 competition has 3 entries. The 2007-2008 competition is intended to be a total engine design integration with lots of opportunity to integrate with the aircraft.The 2006-2007 competition has 3 entries. The 2007-2008 competition is intended to be a total engine design integration with lots of opportunity to integrate with the aircraft.
49. New Direction for Design Competition Take incremental approach to integrating propulsion system with airframe system
Put demands on engine design to enable highly coupled airframe solutions to problems
Push the idea of propulsion engineer talking to airframe engineer
Announce intentions to Aircraft Design Competition committees; This is the trend we are heading
However…….
Ian Halliwell has been in contact with IGTI and they have expressed “great interest” in collaborating with us on Design Competition…Depending on how it is received they may attend our ASM meeting in ’08 The IGTI has expressed interest in collaboration with future design competitions.The IGTI has expressed interest in collaboration with future design competitions.
50. K-12 Outreach Teacher’s workshop held concurrently with JPC and ASM
Informal opportunities to interact with K-12 teachers
Opening Reception: Have drinks and chat with teachers
Sunday, July 8, 5:00 – 6:00 pm
Exploration Breakfasts: Have breakfast and chat with teachers
Tuesday, July 10, 7:30 – 8:15 am
Wednesday, July 11, 8:00 – 9:00 am
Attend a session
See how other AIAA members are working with K-12 teachers, and get ideas for next year.
51. New Short Course Ideas Group discussed short course topics and issues
We have about a 6 month lead time to put a Short Course together, but it is a lot of work and requires instructors who are dedicated [No monetary incentives]
Topics for Short Courses:
Unsteady Phenomena in Gas Turbines
Noise Issues and Challenges for Integrated Propulsion/Airframe Systems
……………..
52. TC Transition Issues with Education Sub-Committee Initially, at least one member from each TC will serve all 3 TCs, but this may evolve to 3 separate committees in each TC as we grow.
Instead of having each TC sponsor a Design Competition in their area, each year will alternate focus on gas turbine, high speed and integration issues
54. ASM Subcommittee Meeting
55. ASM Subcommittee Meeting
56.
59. ASM 2007 Statistics 73 Abstracts received (110 in 2006)
64 Abstracts accepted (97 in 2006)
10 sessions (13 in 2006)
1 Invited Session
Hypersonic Flight Vehicles and Ground Test Capabilities
11 No Show papers
60. ASM 2008 Statistics 65 Abstracts received (73 in 2007)
Abstracts currently in review
1 Invited Session (Organized by Jeff Cohen)
Combustor Emissions
61.
63. Issues for Discussion ASM 2009: Potential Special Sessions
PHM (Prognostic Health Monitoring)
BHM (Blade Health Monitoring)
Aircraft Propulsion & the Environment
Propulsion Causes of Sonic Boom
Special Session for Undergraduates or Graduate Students
Panel Session on Professional License
Others?
Abstracts continue to drop for ASM???
110 in 2006, 73 in 2007, 65 in 2008
How are other TCs fairing? (e.g. Fluid Dynamics is up slightly from last year.)
Identify Session Chairs Early and have each find an Invited Paper
64. Issues for Discussion (Continued) Dealing with No-Show Issue
HyTASP idea – Poster Session
Discuss with HyTASP on method, notification of authors
Maybe No Podium, No Paper will help Dr. Steven Gorrell mentioned that several fluid dynamics papers presented at ASM07 should really have been in ABP sessions. Discussion ensued about how to get more papers into ABP sessions in the future. The idea of a Poster Session was suggested as is currently done in HyTASP as a means of generated worthy presentations. The “No Paper, No Podium” policy was discussed and whether it was truly in effect for the JPC this time around. Many of the Session Chairs communicated to their presenters that it was indeed in effect for this Conference.
Dr. Steven Gorrell mentioned that several fluid dynamics papers presented at ASM07 should really have been in ABP sessions. Discussion ensued about how to get more papers into ABP sessions in the future. The idea of a Poster Session was suggested as is currently done in HyTASP as a means of generated worthy presentations. The “No Paper, No Podium” policy was discussed and whether it was truly in effect for the JPC this time around. Many of the Session Chairs communicated to their presenters that it was indeed in effect for this Conference.
66. JPC Subcommittee Briefing
67. Pro-active Steps
72. JPC 2006 Sessions (13) - 1 Diagnostics, Prognostics, Sensing, and Control (4/5)
- 1 High-Fidelity Propulsion System Simulations (6/6)
- 3 Pulse Detonation Engine (4/5) (5/5) (3/3)
- 4 Turbine Engine (5/5) (3/3) (4/5) (3/3)
- 2 High Speed Propulsion (5/7) (5/7)
- 2 Propulsion Integration (3/7) (6/6)
Invited Papers: (Thanks to Norbert Bissinger)
EUROJET EJ200 – The European Solution to a Technological Challenge
Investigation of Modern Engine's Response to Missile Plume Investigation.
73. JPC 2006 Status
74. JPC 2007 Sessions (16) Diagnostics, Prognostics, Sensing, and Control:
Engine Controls - ?/5
Simulations:
High-Fidelity System Simulations - ?/8
System Modeling - ?/4
Pulse Detonation Engines:
PDE - ?/8
Waverotors - ?/8
Turbine Engine Propulsion:
Turbines - ?/4
Oil Free Turbomachinery Technology for Gas Turbine Engines - ?/8
Turbine Engine Components - ?/7
Compressors I - ?/6
Compressors II - ?/6
High Speed Propulsion:
High Speed Propulsion I - ?/4
High Speed Propulsion II - ?/8 Propulsion Integration:
Heat Transfer/Flow Physics - ?/5
Test Techniques ?/4
Inlets - ?/6
Nozzles - ?/6
Invited Sessions:
The VAATE Program (Robert Bruckner – Chair)
Panel Sessions:
Propulsion Integration (Joseph Lusczek – Chair)
Small Air Breathing Propulsion (Mark Dale – Chair)
HyTASP:
9 Scramjet/Combined Cycle Sessions!
75. JPC 2007 Status
76. 2008 JOINT PROPULSION CONFERENCE & Exhibit (JPC)13-16 July 2008 – East Hartford, Connecticut
79. High Speed Propulsion Summary Reviewed membership list
1 new member Daniel Kirk from Florida Institute of Technology
1 new cooperative member Joaquin Castro from HyTASP PC
Major accomplishment since ASM
New mission statement voted on and accepted
Used as a template for Expansion Committee development of new TC mission statements
Reviewed numbered list of action items and tracked status and closure
80. HS Propulsion - Key Findings and Actions HyTASP coordination is going well
ASM & JPC sessions being deconflicted
Supporting HyTASP sessions as session co-chairs
Positive and helpful attitudes are the rule
Communications
Contact Steve Gorrell to look at updating website
Respond to upcoming requests for bio updates, web content, and year in review articles
Awards
1 package prepared and evaluated this year
Is there still interest in a posthumous award for Fred Billig?
Suggestions for special topic sessions
Propulsion Impact on Sonic Boom (Joint w/Integration)
HyFly program (?)
HIFire (Australia/US flight initiative)
Policy Topic? – Infrastructure for Ground and Flight Testing
82. Attendees
83. Current Business
84. New TC reorganization
87. Proposed Charter:Air Breathing Propulsion Systems Integration
88. “Propulsion Systems Integration” Propulsion “Systems Engineering” - Propulsion Architecture Definition; Requirements, Schedule, Cost & Risk; Total System Performance Responsibility
Installed Performance & Controls - Steady-State, Dynamic, MDO & Real-Time Models, Integrated Flight/Propulsion Control, Hardware/Software Integration & Installed Vibration
Propulsion Aerodynamics - Inlet/Nozzle Analysis/Test, Integration & CFD; Secondary Air Systems & Bay Ventilation, Throttle-Dependent Drag, Jet Effects & Flow Control Methods
Power/Thermal Management – Integrated Propulsion/Power/Thermal Architecture, Power/Fluid Systems Integration, Thermal Management Systems
Engine Physical Integration - Performance-Based Specification Development, Interface Control & Associate Contractor/Supplier Management
Propulsion Operations – Reliability & Maintainability, Field Support, Removal & Installation, Overhaul & Maintenance, Prognostics & Health Maintenance
Flight Certification - Validation & Verification, FAA Compliance/Regulations
Environmental Factors - Corrosion, Icing, Noise, Bird Strike, Safety Zone, Ground Operation Safety, Fire Protection, Lightning New Fuels, Etc.
Full Range Of Systems - V/STOL, UAV, Commercial/Transport, Missile, Lighter-Than-Air, Propeller-Driven & Non-Turbine (Reciprocating/Rotating) Systems Expansion avenues for the Integration technical discipline beyond inlet and exhaust nozzle integration. More emphasis on “Systems” integration than in the past.Expansion avenues for the Integration technical discipline beyond inlet and exhaust nozzle integration. More emphasis on “Systems” integration than in the past.
89. Issues Communication Methods
E-Mail
Hot Topics
Certification Issues
VLJ, Fuel Tank Inerting
Green Fuels
Ice Crystals – EHWC
Conference Alignment
Turbine Expo, SAE (Rotate summer attendance)
Membership Growth
Industry, Mil and FAA
Joint Session associated with Sonic Boom installed effects
91. P&E Group Meeting Ashwani Gupta
Director
July 8 2007
93. P&E Officers Director – Ashwani K. Gupta
Phone: 301-405-5276
E-mail: akgupta@umd.edu
Deputy Director, Air-Breathing Propulsion - Jeff Hamstra
Phone: 817-655-8894
E-mail: jeffrey.w.hamstra@lmco.com
Deputy Director, Rocket & Space Propulsion - Selma Goldstein
Phone: 310-336-1013
E-mail: selma.goldstein@aero.org
Deputy Director, Advanced Propulsion & Technologies - I-Shih Chang
Phone: 310-336-5917
E-mail:i-shih.Chang@aero.org
Deputy Director, Energy - David Lilley
Phone: 405-744-5897
E-mail: lilley@okstate.edu
94. P&E TC Chair Roster
95. Current TAC Structure
96. P&E Organization P&E TC Organization – New (Added 2 New Deputy Directors + 2 TCs)
97. JPC 2009 in Denver during 8/2-8/5 2009 JPC Site Options; From 3 solid proposals for 2009;
Denver: August (8/2 - 8/5;move in7/31) was selected; Hyatt attached to Convention Center; has best fit for space & hotels; also had available the last week in June, but conflicts w/Fluids conference.
Other locations considered
Seattle: Another group has option for week of 7/20 and would have 5 days to sign if we wanted to pursue; so would need to turn around quickly; committee meetings would be in adjoining hotel
Long Beach: tight fit; would need all rooms in convention center for break-out sessions; cost a little higher than other places
Honolulu: never came back with a proposal; however, rejected as an option because of certainty of loosing significant exhibitors
San Diego: nothing new; significant problem with flow between exhibit space and conference rooms (previously rejected as option for ASM)
Fort Worth: nothing new; 2nd week in August, but conflicts with GNC
Albuquerque: nothing new; only had week of 4th of July
Potential Sponsors for 2009 (Cecilia):
Denver: Lockheed, Northrop Grumman; also good location for West Coast consortium
Seattle: Boeing
IECEC co-location w/JPC; IECEC signed with Williamsburg for week of July 20th in 2009, Will reconsider collocation for 2010.
104. Challenges for Events Facing competition (external, internal)
Inconsistencies in implementation within various models and events
Addressing perceptions
Registration fees are too high
Need stand alone niche conferences to serve specific communities
Conferences do not need to make money to be successful
ASM & JPC Conferences are the biggest revenue generators for the AIAA with profits levels in the 15% range, typically.
Note that 2009 JPC to be held in August (2-5) instead of July.
ASM & JPC Conferences are the biggest revenue generators for the AIAA with profits levels in the 15% range, typically.
Note that 2009 JPC to be held in August (2-5) instead of July.
105. Potential Future Awards Holt Ashley Award in Aeroelasticity (new)
Danny Liu, Rudy Yurkovich
Relation to Crichlow, Starnes, and SDM awards?
Fred Billig Award in Hypersonics (new)
HYTASP & Air Breathing Propulsion TC, Balu Sekar
Brian Rowe Memorial Lecture Award (new)
Sivararam Gogineni
Lectureship, renamed award, or conference lecturer?
Wyld Award (revised process)
Multi-TC, Eric Besnard
Communications TC “Excellent/Best Paper Certificates of Merit”
Ron Smith
108. Statement Of Motion To BePlaced Before The Committee The AIAA Air Breathing Propulsion Technical Committee Shall Pursue An Expansion From One To Three Committees As Outlined Herein, Namely: The vote was taken by all members in attendance and also those who voted by Proxy. Of the 31 votes the motion passed by a margin of 29 for and 2 against. The Motion carries.
Mr. Jeff Hamstra:
The next immediate step will be for the outcome to be presented to AIAA Steering Committee in August.
Need a more formal plan to move forward with.
Cannot let any other TC business fall behind during the road ahead of us.
Each new TC to formulate their plans for the future.
No planning changes for ASM 08 or JPC 08.
1st planning changes to begin at ASM 09.The vote was taken by all members in attendance and also those who voted by Proxy. Of the 31 votes the motion passed by a margin of 29 for and 2 against. The Motion carries.
Mr. Jeff Hamstra:
The next immediate step will be for the outcome to be presented to AIAA Steering Committee in August.
Need a more formal plan to move forward with.
Cannot let any other TC business fall behind during the road ahead of us.
Each new TC to formulate their plans for the future.
No planning changes for ASM 08 or JPC 08.
1st planning changes to begin at ASM 09.