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1. MS CENTER ********
TO DO-
55’prof.-O’start, 15’ the good, 30’ antiox, 45’ pascal
Thanks -thanks for intro
-thanks to locals
Subj
-Will discuss alt med and MS
-controversial and confusing
-important but often not discussed-like elephant in liv rm
-Admirable that part of grand rounds
Me
-yes conv sci and clinical, BUT recognize pt interest; I got interested when pts asked questions and I realized it took me long time to come up with clear answers to questions.
Talk (organiz on slide 3)
Handouts-
-copies of PowerPoint
-handout with detailed alphabetical listing of all supplements talked about today and more
-lay handout that can give to pts if time limited or interest is limited
-COPYRIGHT-did because of copies on internet, feel free to make copies of lay handout
Rmmsc-Info for presentation-developed through cam program at RMMSC
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TO DO-
55’prof.-O’start, 15’ the good, 30’ antiox, 45’ pascal
Thanks -thanks for intro
-thanks to locals
Subj
-Will discuss alt med and MS
-controversial and confusing
-important but often not discussed-like elephant in liv rm
-Admirable that part of grand rounds
Me
-yes conv sci and clinical, BUT recognize pt interest; I got interested when pts asked questions and I realized it took me long time to come up with clear answers to questions.
Talk (organiz on slide 3)
Handouts-
-copies of PowerPoint
-handout with detailed alphabetical listing of all supplements talked about today and more
-lay handout that can give to pts if time limited or interest is limited
-COPYRIGHT-did because of copies on internet, feel free to make copies of lay handout
Rmmsc-Info for presentation-developed through cam program at RMMSC
2. I like cartoon
-time consuming
-frustrating
-no answer in the end
-ALSO-no health professional involved in processI like cartoon
-time consuming
-frustrating
-no answer in the end
-ALSO-no health professional involved in process
3. Levels of Involvement in CAM “Don’t ask, don’t tell”
Refer to information sources
Provide information
Make recommendations
Practice therapies ********
Explain levels
If at “Don’t ask, don’t tell”—I don’t think this is optimal for pt care—if more involved, can direct away from harmful rx and toward possibly beneficial rx
My goal with this talk-(“AIT”)
-change some attitudes--make you more open to cam
-spark some interest
-give tools to start talking with patients at a relatively detailed level, esp with diets and dietary supplements
(TO DO THIS-
-copies of PowerPoint
-handout with detailed alphabetical listing of all supplements talked about today and more
-lay handout that can give to pts if time limited or interest is limited
-COPYRIGHT-did because of copies on internet, feel free to make copies of lay handout)********
Explain levels
If at “Don’t ask, don’t tell”—I don’t think this is optimal for pt care—if more involved, can direct away from harmful rx and toward possibly beneficial rx
My goal with this talk-(“AIT”)
-change some attitudes--make you more open to cam
-spark some interest
-give tools to start talking with patients at a relatively detailed level, esp with diets and dietary supplements
(TO DO THIS-
-copies of PowerPoint
-handout with detailed alphabetical listing of all supplements talked about today and more
-lay handout that can give to pts if time limited or interest is limited
-COPYRIGHT-did because of copies on internet, feel free to make copies of lay handout)
4. Rocky Mountain MS Center ********
After rev slide…..
“Now for large group of patients with questions about cam, where can they find info?—bookstore is used by many…”********
After rev slide…..
“Now for large group of patients with questions about cam, where can they find info?—bookstore is used by many…”
5. Dietary Supplements Several types
Vitamins
Minerals
Herbs
“Other”—enzymes, hormones, amino acids
6. Dietary Supplements Dietary Supplements Health and Education Act (1994)
“DSHEA”
No standards for quality, safety, efficacy
Initiative to Provide Better Health Information for Consumers (www.cfsan.fda)
To implement in 2004
Good manufacturing practices (GMPs)
Accuracy of content labeling
Qualified health claims
8. Herbal Medicine Accessible and popular
$5 billion/yr
60 million adults
$54/person/yr
Many conventional medications are derived from herbs
35% prescription drugs
60% OTC drugs
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Dshea—passed 1994
Initiative—very positive step, to implement by 2004, details at fda website (www.cfsan.fda.gov (center for food safety and applied nutrition)*****
Dshea—passed 1994
Initiative—very positive step, to implement by 2004, details at fda website (www.cfsan.fda.gov (center for food safety and applied nutrition)
9. Herbal Therapy Same mech as drug: eg kava and gabaSame mech as drug: eg kava and gaba
10. Herbal Therapy ?eg sjw??eg sjw?
11. Herbal Therapy Eg cranberry, mild thistleEg cranberry, mild thistle
12. The Good
13. “Modified Swank Diet” Dietary changes
Limit saturated fat intake
Fish: 2-3 times/week
Possible supplements
omega 3: fish oil, cod liver oil, EPA/DHA
omega 6: sunflower, evening primrose
omega 3 + 6: flaxseed oil
NOT: borage, black currant seed, spirulina
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Diet changes—also fat < 30% total calories
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Diet changes—also fat < 30% total calories
14. “Modified Swank Diet” May be of interest to some patients
NOT instead of FDA-approved medications
IMPORTANT
Vitamin E: 100-400 IU daily
15. Possibly Effective Herbs St. John’s Wort
Depression-possibly
Self dx or rx is not safe
P450 inducer
Photosensitivity, sedation
Cranberry
UTI prevention-possibly
Inhibits bacterial adhesion
Better evidence for cranberry than vitamin C
NOT for UTI treatment
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SJW-1000s of yrs/2 rec – rct but 23 past rct/not self/p450-antidepr, anticonv, bcp—little sj’s/se’s
-used for 1000s of years; blooms around 6/24, feast day of St John the Baptist
-mild-mod possible-not severe
-at least 23 past RCT, 2 recent –RCT (one with severe, other with – result Zoloft)
-multiple poss drug interactions-
-2d6-ca ch blockers, protease inhibitors, ssris, ocps—many “little St Johns” with ocps, serotonin syndrome with ssris
-3a4-ssris, bz’s, ca ch blockers, aricept
-p-glycoprotein-drug transporter inhibitors: multiple drugs (ca ch blockers, abx (eg erythro), antifungals, proton pump inhibitors (omeprazole), protease inh’s
Cranberry-antibacti Germans, 1840/ ¾ +studies/ fruct and proanth
-antibacterial activity proposed by German scientists in 1840
-some MS pts are prone to UTIs
-4 RCT-3+, 1-
-proanthocyanidins and fructose may decrease adhesion****
SJW-1000s of yrs/2 rec – rct but 23 past rct/not self/p450-antidepr, anticonv, bcp—little sj’s/se’s
-used for 1000s of years; blooms around 6/24, feast day of St John the Baptist
-mild-mod possible-not severe
-at least 23 past RCT, 2 recent –RCT (one with severe, other with – result Zoloft)
-multiple poss drug interactions-
-2d6-ca ch blockers, protease inhibitors, ssris, ocps—many “little St Johns” with ocps, serotonin syndrome with ssris
-3a4-ssris, bz’s, ca ch blockers, aricept
-p-glycoprotein-drug transporter inhibitors: multiple drugs (ca ch blockers, abx (eg erythro), antifungals, proton pump inhibitors (omeprazole), protease inh’s
Cranberry-antibacti Germans, 1840/ ¾ +studies/ fruct and proanth
-antibacterial activity proposed by German scientists in 1840
-some MS pts are prone to UTIs
-4 RCT-3+, 1-
-proanthocyanidins and fructose may decrease adhesion
16. Possibly Effective Herbs Valerian
Insomnia-possibly
Anxiety-uncertain efficacy
Spasticity-unstudied
Possibly sedating ****
Valerian-1000s of yrs
-used for thousands of years, used in some root beers
-several RCTs
-anxiety and spasticity, esp with MS pts (lore for spasticity), but only one anx rct study and no spasticity studies
-sedating—may incr ms fatigue or augment sed eff’s of meds such as bacl, zan, bzs
Kava
-used in South Pacific, first botanical description by Captain Cook’s second voyage
-one of few herbs for which active constituent has been identified—kavapyrones, act on GABA-A receptors
-insomnia-only one rct
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Valerian-1000s of yrs
-used for thousands of years, used in some root beers
-several RCTs
-anxiety and spasticity, esp with MS pts (lore for spasticity), but only one anx rct study and no spasticity studies
-sedating—may incr ms fatigue or augment sed eff’s of meds such as bacl, zan, bzs
Kava
-used in South Pacific, first botanical description by Captain Cook’s second voyage
-one of few herbs for which active constituent has been identified—kavapyrones, act on GABA-A receptors
-insomnia-only one rct
17. Ginkgo Biloba Two major constituents
flavonoids: antioxidant
terpenes: PAF antagonists
EAE: effective
MS attacks: NOT effective
MS cognitive dysfunction
possible (AAN,2002)
Preventing attacks: unstudied
Possible bleeding and seizures ****
**describe pics-bilobed leaf, terpene which is cage molecule
Unique botany and unique chemistry
-”living fossil”-minimal change for 200 M yrs, live as long as 1000 yrs
Terpenes-terpene trilactones: bilobalides and ginkgolides; “cage molecules”
Terpenes and flavonoids: complex molecules, industrial scale synthesis is not possible ****
**describe pics-bilobed leaf, terpene which is cage molecule
Unique botany and unique chemistry
-”living fossil”-minimal change for 200 M yrs, live as long as 1000 yrs
Terpenes-terpene trilactones: bilobalides and ginkgolides; “cage molecules”
Terpenes and flavonoids: complex molecules, industrial scale synthesis is not possible
18. Now switch gears and talk about vitamins
Vitamin D plays well known role in maintaining bone densityNow switch gears and talk about vitamins
Vitamin D plays well known role in maintaining bone density
19. Vitamin D and Calcium Osteoporosis and osteopenia
Underdiagnosed and undertreated in MS
MS risk factors: nonambulatory, female, low body weight, low sun exposure, ?steroids
Disease course
EAE: vitamin D is effective
MS: vitamin D analog ineffective in small study
Some patients may consider reasonable
Daily vitamin D doses should be < 2,000 IU
20. Good or Bad?
21. B Vitamins B vitamins generally
Used commonly
No large MS clinical trial studies
Vitamin B12
Subgroup may be B12 deficient
If not B12 deficient, no known benefit
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine)
Daily doses < 50 mg
Vitamin B3 (niacin)
Daily doses < 35 mg
22. Antioxidants and MS Possibly beneficial
Axonal injury
Myelin damage
Oxidative markers increased
Possibly harmful
Stimulate T cells and macrophages ****
**NOW-change gears and talk about “grey area” between good and bad
**Pic-talk about O2, free radicals, antioxidants****
**NOW-change gears and talk about “grey area” between good and bad
**Pic-talk about O2, free radicals, antioxidants
23. Antioxidants and MS Compounds currently being studied
24. Antioxidants and MS Various approaches:
Simple approach: fruits and vegetables
If supplements taken, modest doses:
Vitamin A, <5,000 IU daily
Vitamin C, 60-90 mg daily
Vitamin E, 100-400 IU daily
“Designer antioxidants:” no clear benefit, expensive
If high PUFA diet, vitamin E supplements Fruits-2-4 servings
Veg-3-5Fruits-2-4 servings
Veg-3-5
25. “LDN”Low Dose Naltrexone Opioid antagonist
Claims:
“boost the immune system—helping those with HIV/AIDS, cancer, and autoimmune diseases.”
Positive MS anecdotes
Evidence
Immune system: variable effects including increased Th1 response
EAE: high dose worsens disease
MS clinical trials: none
Conclusion: unstudied, theoretical risks
26. “Ambrotose” Manufactured by Mannatech
Contains polysaccharides
Company literature:
“…extracts of certain fungi and plants may be of assistance in the treatment of cancer. On investigation, many of these extracts have been found to possess potent immune-stimulating activity…this activity is attributable to complex carbohydrates.”
Dr. Ian Tizard
27. “Ambrotose” Claimed to be effective for AIDS, cancer, MS, and many other diseases
Anecdotal MS reports
MS studies
EAE: none
MS clinical studies: none
Conclusion: unstudied, theoretical risks
28. Prokarin Transdermal patch: histamine and caffeine
Two published trials
1999 study: N=55, not controlled, 67% improvement
2002 study: N=27, controlled, possibly fatigue
Web-based survey-www.ms-cam.org
Total n=1326, 125 users of Prokarin
49% benefit, 66% discontinued
Breathing problems, 2%; rash, 44%
Cost: $150-250/month
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Not technically a dietary supplement, but thought would mention
1999 study:
**Conclusion
-gets some people angry because of methods used to promote, but if take evidence based approach you can’t totally “trash”
-for some pts it may provide benefit, which could be placebo, and probably is low risk
-I put in category of “unstudied”****
Not technically a dietary supplement, but thought would mention
1999 study:
**Conclusion
-gets some people angry because of methods used to promote, but if take evidence based approach you can’t totally “trash”
-for some pts it may provide benefit, which could be placebo, and probably is low risk
-I put in category of “unstudied”
29. The Bad
30. “Immune-stimulating” Supplements Usually limited to in vitro studies
Sometimes recommended as MS treatment in lay books
Herbs
Echinacea
Alfalfa, astragalus, cat’s claw, garlic, ginseng, others
Other supplements
Antioxidants: vitamins A, C, E; selenium
Others: DHEA, melatonin, zinc ********
**NOW-talk about bad or potentially bad
**Slides now will be quite detailed with many different supplements listed-
-you have copies and MOST HELPFUL is alphabetical listing that has all this info and more
**pic of echinacea
[lung ca risk and smokers: study 1: beta-carotene, study 2: vit A and beta-carotene]
In theory, may worsen disease or counteract effects of immune-modulating or immune-suppressing medications
Evidence against using these supplements is theoretical, but this evidence may still be stronger than evidence (e.g., no evidence, testimonials) used to support their use********
**NOW-talk about bad or potentially bad
**Slides now will be quite detailed with many different supplements listed-
-you have copies and MOST HELPFUL is alphabetical listing that has all this info and more
**pic of echinacea
[lung ca risk and smokers: study 1: beta-carotene, study 2: vit A and beta-carotene]
In theory, may worsen disease or counteract effects of immune-modulating or immune-suppressing medications
Evidence against using these supplements is theoretical, but this evidence may still be stronger than evidence (e.g., no evidence, testimonials) used to support their use
31. Kava Kava
Used in South Pacific
Kavapyrones-act on GABA-A receptors
Anxiety-possibly effective
Insomnia-uncertain
Possibly sedating
? severe liver toxicity
Kava
-used in South Pacific, first botanical description by Captain Cook’s second voyage
-one of few herbs for which active constituent has been identified—kavapyrones, act on GABA-A receptors
-insomnia-only one rct
Kava
-used in South Pacific, first botanical description by Captain Cook’s second voyage
-one of few herbs for which active constituent has been identified—kavapyrones, act on GABA-A receptors
-insomnia-only one rct
32. Sedating Herbs Asian ginseng
Barberry
Black cohosh
Calendula
Catnip
Chamomile
Couchgrass
Goldenseal
Henbane
Kava kava
Passionflower
St. John’s wort
Scullcap
Siberian ginseng
Stinging nettle
Valerian This is partial listing of some of the more popular herbs
These herbs could worsen MS fatigue or potentiate effects of sedating meds, like Zanaflex, Baclofen, BZs
Some of more common on this list ARE
This is partial listing of some of the more popular herbs
These herbs could worsen MS fatigue or potentiate effects of sedating meds, like Zanaflex, Baclofen, BZs
Some of more common on this list ARE
33. Sedating Herbs Asian ginseng
Barberry
Black cohosh
Calendula
Catnip
Chamomile
Couchgrass
Goldenseal
Henbane
Kava kava
Passionflower
St. John’s wort
Scullcap
Siberian ginseng
Stinging nettle
Valerian
Some of more common on this list
-already talked about-SJW, kava kava, valerian
-2 ginsengs
-Goldenseal, Passionflower
Some of more common on this list
-already talked about-SJW, kava kava, valerian
-2 ginsengs
-Goldenseal, Passionflower
34. Herb-Drug Interactions Immune-modulating and immune-suppressing drugs
“Immune-stimulating” supplements
Methotrexate
“Immune-stimulating” supplements
Echinacea: liver toxicity
Salicylate-containing herbs
Black cohosh, meadowsweet, poplar, sweet birch, willow, wintergreen
“Imm stim”-see previous slides
MTX
-some using as combo Rx
-salicylates may incr bld levels (decr excr, incr % free) and incr liver toxicity“Imm stim”-see previous slides
MTX
-some using as combo Rx
-salicylates may incr bld levels (decr excr, incr % free) and incr liver toxicity
35. Herb-Drug Interactions Steroids
Asian ginseng, cascara sagrada, ephedra, fenugreek, licorice, lily-of-the-valley, squill
SSRIs
St. John’s wort
Tricyclic antidepressants
Belladonna, henbane, mistletoe, St. John’s wort, scopolia
Amantadine
Belladonna, henbane, pheasant’s eye, scopolia Steroids
-most are hypokalemia or hyperglycemia
SSRIS
-serotonin syndrome has been described
TCAs
-cholinergic effectsSteroids
-most are hypokalemia or hyperglycemia
SSRIS
-serotonin syndrome has been described
TCAs
-cholinergic effects
36. The Ugly
37. Dangerous Supplements Recommended for MS Borage seed oil: hepatotoxicity
Chaparral: severe hepatotoxicity
Comfrey: hepatotoxicity
Ephedra: severe hypertension, arrhythmias, death
Germanium: renal toxicity, death
Lobelia: tachycardia, hypotension, death
Scullcap: severe hepatotoxicity
Yohimbe: hypertension, hypotension, arrhythmias, death
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NOW-the UGLY
Ones I’ve seen most frequently ARE********
NOW-the UGLY
Ones I’ve seen most frequently ARE
38. Dangerous Supplements Recommended for MS Borage seed oil: hepatotoxicity
Chaparral: severe hepatotoxicity
Comfrey: hepatotoxicity
Ephedra: severe hypertension, arrhythmias, death
Germanium: renal toxicity, death
Lobelia: tachycardia, hypotension, death
Scullcap: severe hepatotoxicity
Yohimbe: hypertension, hypotension, arrhythmias, death
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NOW-the UGLY
Ones I’ve seen most frequently ARE********
NOW-the UGLY
Ones I’ve seen most frequently ARE
40. ****PRACTICE
Royalties to cam program at rmmsc****PRACTICE
Royalties to cam program at rmmsc
41. Alternative Medicine Websitewww.ms-cam.org >15,000 users
MS-relevant CAM information
>40 therapies
Professional version with references
“Forum”
Email system
Newsletters
Surveys
42. References
Dietary Supplements and Multiple Sclerosis:
A Health Professional’s Guide.
Bowling AC, Stewart TM. Demos Medical Publishing, 2004.
Alternative Medicine and Multiple Sclerosis. Bowling AC, Demos Medical Publishing, 2001.
43. References
“Alternative medicine and multiple sclerosis: an objective review from an American perspective.” Bowling AC, Ibrahim R, Stewart TM. International Journal of MS Care 2000; 2: 14-21. (www.mscare.com)
“Current complementary and alternative therapies for multiple sclerosis.”
Bowling AC, Stewart TM. Current Treatment Options in Neurology 2003; 5: 55-68.
44. References Dietary Supplements Generally
Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database, Jellin JM, Batz F, Hitchens K, Therapeutic Research Faculty, 2002. (www.NaturalDatabase.com)
The Health Professional’s Guide to Popular Dietary Supplements, Fragakis A, American Dietetic Association, 2002.
Alternative Medicine Generally
Complementary and Alternative Medicine: A Desktop Reference, Ernst E, Mosby, 2001. ********
CONCL
-some pts and health profs have blanket approach—I hope I’ve shown this is not possible
(-like junkyard)
-strongly encourage to get involved for several reasons (“EAQ”)
-enjoyable-interesting info, broadens view of dis, forces you to think in terms of pt perspective
-patients appreciate-improves relations
-improve quality of care-avoid dangerous
( -some situations-incr conv and decr cam)
********
CONCL
-some pts and health profs have blanket approach—I hope I’ve shown this is not possible
(-like junkyard)
-strongly encourage to get involved for several reasons (“EAQ”)
-enjoyable-interesting info, broadens view of dis, forces you to think in terms of pt perspective
-patients appreciate-improves relations
-improve quality of care-avoid dangerous
( -some situations-incr conv and decr cam)
45. Conclusions CAM is rewarding
Broadens your view of disease
Forces you to think from patient perspective
Patients appreciate your efforts
Can provide CAM information in a timely way
Improves patient care -enjoyable-interesting info, broadens view of dis, forces you to think in terms of pt perspective
-patients appreciate-improves relations
-improve quality of care-avoid dangerous
( -some situations-incr conv and decr cam)
-enjoyable-interesting info, broadens view of dis, forces you to think in terms of pt perspective
-patients appreciate-improves relations
-improve quality of care-avoid dangerous
( -some situations-incr conv and decr cam)
46. Acknowledgments Thomas Stewart, JD, PA-C
Ronald Murray, MD
Patricia Kennedy, RN, CNP
Lee Shaughnessy
Gina Ibrahim, PhD
Julie Lawton
CAM website users Rocky Mtn. MS Center
Teva Neuroscience
Biogen
Serono
Berlex
HealthOne Foundation
Denver Botanic Gardens
Hudson Gardens